Descendants of Ramses II

[Frater0082]

Okay this has been on my mind for a while now and I was wondering to myself whether or not this could be possible. Seeming how Ramses had over a hundred children do you think they have living relatives around?

Another mystery on the mind is that if Ramses had many sons why didnt many of his living sons tried to make claim to the throne or at least thier sons I mean wouldn't they have claim to the throne anyhow.

[carrie]

Well one things for sure they wont have dead relatives around.

[Frater0082]

Elaborate more I don't understand. I think I don't.

[newcastle]

Okay this has been on my mind for a while now and I was wondering to myself whether or not this could be possible. Seeming how Ramses had over a hundred children do you think they have living relatives around?

Another mystery on the mind is that if Ramses had many sons why didnt many of his living sons tried to make claim to the throne or at least thier sons I mean wouldn't they have claim to the throne anyhow.

It's highly probable that there are living descendants of Ramesses II.

By long established convention the throne would pass to the son of the pharoah's Great Royal Wife.....if alive at the relevant time. Grandsons, that is sons of sons predeceasing, had no claim if there was a surviving uncle of sufficient seniority (i.e.born to a principal wife)

Son's of lesser wives and sons born to the harem rarely got a look in.

It's entirely possible that some of Ramesses' sons & grandsons might have aspired to succeed but we have no record of any palace intrigues.

It has been postulated that several of Ramesses' successors were related to him (e.g.Amenmesse)....not unlikely in view of the number of descendants.

[Frater0082]

I could imagine how the scenario was after his death and the death Mereptah or beyond. There must of been quite a dispute going on in the harem.

But there is no doubt in my mind that some of them held sway in court.

Another could foreign wives return home after thier husband dies?

[newcastle]

I could imagine how the scenario was after his death and the death Mereptah or beyond. There must of been quite a dispute going on in the harem.

But there is no doubt in my mind that some of them held sway in court.

Another could foreign wives return home after thier husband dies?

I'm not aware of any embargo although I suspect it would be unlikely as the foreign wives were diplomatic 'gifts'.

[Frater0082]

So they were trapped thier in Egypt that must have sucked.

[Frater0082]

i wonder what they used to the ones that were least attractive

[newcastle]

The royal harem housed not only pharaoh's wives, principal & lesser, but also his concubines and, of course, the royal offspring...plus all the staff and attendants. In the case of Rameses II it must have been vast and spread over several palaces. It would not have been incumbent on Rameses to sleep with all of his wives & concubines and it is possible that some saw him rarely..if at all (apart from when they arrived).

Those that he did not find attractive (possibly diplomatic brides) might spend their entire lives in the harem...dying in the virginal state in which they arrived

Several of Rameses' daughters rose to become Great Royal Wives and there is some evidence that one or two may have borne him children.

[Dusak]

I could imagine how the scenario was after his death and the death Mereptah or beyond. There must of been quite a dispute going on in the harem.

But there is no doubt in my mind that some of them held sway in court.

Another could foreign wives return home after thier husband dies?

It is my understanding that once a foreign wife escapes, sorry, leaves Egypt, they can no longer afford to return.

[Who2]

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[Frater0082]

The royal harem housed not only pharaoh's wives, principal & lesser, but also his concubines and, of course, the royal offspring...plus all the staff and attendants. In the case of Rameses II it must have been vast and spread over several palaces. It would not have been incumbent on Rameses to sleep with all of his wives & concubines and it is possible that some saw him rarely..if at all (apart from when they arrived).

Those that he did not find attractive (possibly diplomatic brides) might spend their entire lives in the harem...dying in the virginal state in which they arrived

Several of Rameses' daughters rose to become Great Royal Wives and there is some evidence that one or two may have borne him children.

poor women I would've slept with the royal guard or something. I don't think sitting around all day and being pretty would've made me happy. One way or another I was going to get some attention whether from a household servant or a guard, a gal has needs

So does this means that there a numerous unknown prince and princesses that are not accounted for?

Wait of course, because only those of the Great Royal Wife or Wives were deemed important.

[LovelyLadyLux]

Ohhhhhh I dunno about sleeping with any Royal Guards Frats ...

[Frater0082]

Why not its a very highly unlikely chance that you will ever soak the royal loins so why not. Plus u could've gotten away with anything in those days no one would've known lol

[LovelyLadyLux]

I'm fairly certain the Royals were not allowing the Guards bedding rights to their women and took measures to ensure this wasn't gonna happen ....

[newcastle]

Why do you imagine a lot of the male guardians were eunuchs ?

It's highly likely that a bit of hanky-panky went on....despite the dire consequences if caught "in flagrante".

[Dusak]

The world is full of the b****** offspring of the ruling classes, and has been for thousands of years. I myself could be of b****** blood due to the unexpected firing of a cannon one summers night at that crucial moment. Or I could just be a plain old simple b******, who knows.

[newcastle]

Translated from the walls of Karnak. XIX Dynasty. Poss. Rameses II?


It was Christmas Eve in the harem

The eunuchs all standing there,
A hundred dusky maidens,
Combing their pubic hair.
When along came Father Christmas,
Striding down the marble halls,
When he asked what they wanted for Christmas,
The eunuchs all answered, "Balls!"

[Yildez]

Translated from the walls of Karnak. XIX Dynasty. Poss. Rameses II?


It was Christmas Eve in the harem

The eunuchs all standing there,
A hundred dusky maidens,
Combing their pubic hair.
When along came Father Christmas,
Striding down the marble halls,
When he asked what they wanted for Christmas,
The eunuchs all answered, "Balls!"

The old ones are the best ones Newcastle! And this one is very old!

[Dusak]

Translated from the walls of Karnak. XIX Dynasty. Poss. Rameses II?


It was Christmas Eve in the harem

The eunuchs all standing there,
A hundred dusky maidens,
Combing their pubic hair.
When along came Father Christmas,
Striding down the marble halls,
When he asked what they wanted for Christmas,
The eunuchs all answered, "Balls!"

The old ones are the best ones Newcastle! And this one is very old!

So is newcastle, its remembrance Monday.