A crazy long time ago

[BENNU]

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At first glance, Katy Perry’s latest music video, the Egypt-themed fantasy “Dark Horse,” seems to bear little resemblance to actual Egyptian history — but you might want to look twice. The clip’s director says there’s good reason for the Egyptian references, and prominent Egyptologists say that reason is good enough for them.

“[Perry] said that there’s actually a place in Egypt called Memphis, and she thought it was so interesting that Juicy J is from Memphis, Tenn.,” explains director Mathew Cullen. “She basically came to me and said, ‘I want to do something Egyptian and I want to combine it with Memphis hip-hop.’ That’s music to my ears — when an artist has a couple concepts that they want to mash up to create something fresh.”

Cullen says that while there was no on-site Egyptologist involved in the Los Angeles video shoot, they researched the period online to better “respect the symbolism” while having fun. Though Perry has been criticized for appropriating the symbols and images of other cultures — and has been under attack for “Dark Horse” for the same reasons — Cullen says he believes that while it’s dangerous to rip things directly from modern cultures without adding anything to them, ancient Egypt is part of what he calls our “shared collective mythology.”

“We’re only here because we build on the stories of every human being since the beginning of mankind,” he says. “The most important thing is that when you create something, and this is actually something Katy and I worked to do — you bring a new spin to it.”

And as it so happens, Perry and Cullen (who also directed the “California Gurls” video) did a pretty good job building on those stories.

Full disclosure: when I called up some Egyptologists to ask them about Katy Perry, I was fully expecting them to trash the video. The inaccuracies in her similarly-themed performance of the song at the Brits have already been pointed out, and fans who are sticklers for history were turned off the video. But the reality was very different.

“I find this really very wonderful, but I’m willing to bend my formal standards,” says Robert K. Ritner, Professor of
Egyptology at the University of Chicago. “Whoever put this together actually knew something about the myth of Cleopatra. There are a number of features in here that I could use in class.”

Here are some of those points that get a hearty thumbs up, courtesy of Ritner and David P. Silverman, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Pennsylvania and Curator of Penn Museum’s Egyptian Section:

The turquoise color seen in Perry’s make-up was used in Ancient Egypt; they often used colors inspired by nature, like the sky and water. Sealed tombs preserved the colors of their paintings, so historians can still tell what things would have looked like at the time.
Queens like Cleopatra really did have significant power — and, though it didn’t include the lightning-bolt-style magic that’s seen in the video, there was a belief in divine royalty.
The lyric about Aphrodite and Perry’s Greek-style dress have been called out by picky fans, but actually, they make perfect sense: Cleopatra wasn’t properly Egyptian; rather, she was descended from a Macedonian-Greek line, and her culture mixed Hellenic and Egyptian elements. In fact, Aphrodite is the analog to the Egyptian goddess Isis, who is represented by Perry’s winged ascent in the video.
The “walk like an Egyptian” pose does have a reference point in ancient paintings. The artists didn’t use foreshortening, so the iconic pose was a Cubist-like attempt to portray three-dimensional people by showing them from different angles. It was not, however, a dance.
The paintings on the wall behind Perry when she’s on the throne are clearly based on real tomb paintings.
The scene with Perry and the snakes suggests a reference to Cleopatra’s suicide via asps. At the time of her death, Cleopatra was dressed as Isis, which also loops back to Perry growing wings in the video.
The fan/monocle object Perry holds up shows the symbol of the Eye of Horus, a symbol of health and stability. (It has nothing to do with the Illuminati: “The many discussions of the Illuminati are nonsense,” says Ritner. Rather, the masonic imagery associated with the Illuminati is drawn from Egyptian imagery.)
The cat references and the scene with Boo the dog may reference Roman anti-Cleopatra propaganda, which implied that she made Marc Antony her lap dog.
Cullen and Perry even succeeded without trying: though Cullen says this wasn’t on purpose, Ritner sees a link between Perry getting a diamond grill to a myth that Cleopatra once dissolved a giant pearl in wine to demonstrate her wealth.

And even the parts that aren’t accurate at all — the Twinkies, for example — aren’t problematic. If Katy Perry fans do a little research about Ancient Egypt, they’ll follow a long line of people whose interest was sparked by Egypt-inspired pop-culture — from Boris Karloff’s mummy to Brendan Fraser’s, and from Betty Boop’s Cleopatra to Elizabeth Taylor’s.

“[Egypt has] always been a part of popular culture,” says Silverman. “It encourages people to think of these things, and some of those people actually begin to learn a lot.”

[Bullet Magnet]

I understand the metaphor's but the song is pretty boring, where the Video is more interesting.
(the like is for the Video, only because I spotted something interesting)

Katy is Russel Brand's ex.
As he said.
I just cant imagine having sex with the same woman for the rest of my life.
The Marriage was shaky from the get-go, before I had even got off the elephant.

Now, you can use your tits or a pretty face to sell a record, or you can use God given talent and some hard work..
Like Linda Perry

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[BENNU]

I, too find the video more entertaining than the music. I also do not enjoy British pop or rock or most other kinds of music shared here, just like my posts about music are not very popular, but I thought that perhaps others would like to see the video.

I do not need to know about the artist's sex life, but do go on talking about tits, it is not a video I need to watch over and over again.

[Bullet Magnet]

Yes, Once is certainly enough.....

An observation I made is this:
After WW2, All the musical greats seemed to have been born within a few of years of each other..
Coincidence ? I think not. . .
Sadly,Today many of the prophets work is obscured, and we have to dig a bit deeper to find their pearls they give to us.


Want to do a song about old Egypt ?. .Give your heart and soul.

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Has anything changed since then ?

[Chocolate Eclair]

Memphis in Egypt and Luxor in the US

[BENNU]

Yes, Once is certainly enough.....


After WW2, All the musical greats seemed to have been born within a few of years of each other..

We are aware of your taste in music, do we all have to share it?

You have posted many video clips here - I do not watch them because it is not my kind of music and neither is this, but enjoyed watching it and found it relevant on this forum though Egyptian music is not. I did not know that the American singer has been married to a man from UK for a few months and is now degraded because of her lack of sexual value as a wife.

If I ever hear another woman here in Luxor or on UK4U tell me that English men are useless as husband material...

[Bullet Magnet]

My taste in Music, is everything Good and a wider variety than you think.. sadly what you brought to the table is teenage dross, to get drunk and pregnant by..

I blame people like's of Katie Perry, Justin Beiber, Miley Cyrus, Madonna, who help create this shitty "Look at me ( but I have fook all to offer )" , society the West has.
Your African friend is correct, the white man has NO Culture, as well you know. Its all about the money and security, aka loss of freedom, while selling your soul.

Bitter ex Wives and Husband's.. Like those you talk about, and yet what happens to them ?
They get their divorce settlement, go to Egypt, Marry an Egyptian "soul mate", and he scarpers off with the family silver..

One born every minute..

[BENNU]

the white man has NO Culture, as well you know.

I know better than that.

[Bullet Magnet]

Do share...

[BENNU]

That has never been appreciated here

[Bullet Magnet]

I was wondering where Katie got the idea for Dark Horse from, I knew the video looked familiar, and only after watching this again did it finally strike me...

THIS Song is why I love Dio, but then this is a man thing, right ?

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People do have a false impression of us Metal fan's, only because they cant see past their own prejudice.

[Alistair1967]

People do have a false impression of us Metal fan's, only because they cant see past their own prejudice.

Too bloody true!!

Plenty more Egyptian references in rock... love the chorus on this one -

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and of course, Iron Maiden's mighty lament of a dying Pharaoh -

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[Bullet Magnet]

Metal was probably the best education I received, and also helped me find a way to release all the aggression and frustration harmlessly that this life can invoke..






Last time I went on Holiday I deliberately left all my usual stuff at home, but was bitterly regretting not having any tunes.

Next Time, I will take my Metal detector with me...
Click to watch...

[Bullet Magnet]

Hmmm, someone has been a naughty girl ( ** allegedly, until proved in court I guess )

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... Horse.html


Christian rapper Flame allegedly sued Katy Perry for ripping off his 2008 track Joyful Noise for her 2013 mega-hit Dark Horse in Missouri District Court on Tuesday.
The 32-year-old hip-hop artist - who studied in a seminary - claimed that his secular song's high-pitched techno melody and snap-based beat were slowed down for Katy's ode to the 1996 film The Craft.
Christian rapper Flame allegedly sued Katy Perry for ripping off his 2008 track Joyful Noise for her 2013 mega-hit Dark Horse in Missouri District Court on Tuesday

According to the lawsuit obtained by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Joyful Noise has been 'irreparably tarnished by its association with the witchcraft, paganism, black magic, and Illuminati imagery evoked by the same music in Dark Horse.'

The song by Flame - born Marcus T. Gray - scored a Gospel Music Association Dove Award nod and its album Our World: Redeemed earned a Grammy nomination.

Dark Horse - written from the perspective of a witch - sold 6 million copies and the Egyptian-themed music video amassed 439 million views.



Witches are not what people think, and is a derogatory term. The Witches you know do not exist, but King James thought that they did...

[Brian Yare]

May I get back on topic? Probably not.

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