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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:26 pm  |  Posted from: Egypt
  

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Well what a shambles, May loses the vote again. Seems that the politicians can't agree on anything whilst from conversations I have had with friends and family in the UK all they say is "we voted out 2 years ago" like the decision or not but now get on with it. Leave.
Maybe someone will explain what is the Backstop?


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:47 pm  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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Maybe someone will explain what is the Backstop?

In a nutshell - nobody wants customs checks at the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. The "backstop" avoids this by temporarily keeping the UK in a customs union with the EU post-Brexit until a solution can be found.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:55 pm  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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You can checkout any time you like, BUT you can never leave....
Ireland and Greece can testify to that..

It is a sad time for democracy, even if the vote was only 52 % in favour, but that is how democracy works..

Seems the Politico got us into something they seem incapable of getting us out of, and god forbid the EU gravy train pulls in at the last stop..

Remember Ireland was forced to vote again 18 months after they voted to leave, and magically they decided to stay in the EU.
Which was very handy for the irish banks that needed an EU bailout just a short while after the Yes vote...


All I will say is that this aint over yet, and something major is going to happen as a result of our democratic vote back in 2016.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:04 pm  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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The reason that many people are distrustful of the ‘Backstop’ Carrie is that it could technically keep the UK inside the EU forever as it says that we all remain inside the EU until a solution is found to the Irish Border problem. So even if everyone believed that it was just a temporary measure and not likely to happen, the fear by many is that because the UK does not have any UNILATERAL right to say “that’s it we are now leaving” even if after the next two years of negotiation we were still getting nowhere then the UK could not do so after signing up to the deal on offer regards the backstop. It would therefore be possible for the EU to just keep rejecting any solution that the UK proposed as being unsuitable and in theory that could go on add infinitum, (there is no time limit) thus keeping the UK within the EU and UK having to take all the rules during that period but having no right to EU decision making.

The main sticking point is that MPs wanted some sort of time limit after which if no solution was arrived at then we could just decide to leave, basically no one trusts the EU not to try and keep us in by some devious means, or to keep us in but with no input in the decision making, the fact that the backstop is open ended is the main problem. There have been some ‘add ons’ to this by the EU that seem to make it something that could be legally challenged by the UK if they (the EU) could be proven not to be acting in good faith and our right to unilaterally leave could be upheld. A lot of it seems to revolve around legal technicalities within this backstop withdrawal agreement and a complete lack of trust all round.

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Horus wrote:
basically no one trusts the EU not to try and keep us in by some devious means

Plenty of people trust the EU. It's mainly hardline Brexiteers who don't.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:57 pm  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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basically no one trusts the EU not to try and keep us in by some devious means

Plenty of people trust the EU. It's mainly hardline Brexiteers who don't.

Well of course that is your opinion, however plenty of people would beg differ and if that really were the case then surely all the MP's in the house should have voted for the deal and it would haved passed.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:48 am  |  Posted from: Egypt
  

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It was relatively easy to join the EU, very easy to retain the good old British pound, the carrot of advantage dangling in front of folks as to why it would be a good thing to join was a hypnotic one. But to leave and return to factory settings literally overnight, no easy thing to do, no matter who is in power. The vote was cast, the leavers won, so the Irish boarder should be reinstated, end of.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:14 am  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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I remember when President De Gaulle wouldn't let us in this exclusive club back in the 60's. Did he do us a favour I often wonder?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:29 am  |  Posted from: Egypt
  

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And just what exactly is The Island of Ireland ? it's a bloody Island the clue is in the name.
Give the North back to the South that would bugger up the EU.... 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:00 pm  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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Matt Chorley in todays Times (Red Box): 'Theresa May has a unique skill of being able to reach deep into the jaws of defeat, over the tongue of confusion, down the oesophagus of farce, past the lungs of hubris, through the stomach of incompetence and on into the large intestine of humiliation and the colon of chaos, where she can catch hold of whatever faecal matter she can before dragging it all the way back through the body politic and holding it aloft like a trophy and declaring: “And this is why you should all vote for my deal.”
Thank goodness someone knows what's going on!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:45 am  |  Posted from: United Kingdom
  

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Hitler has had enough too ! 8)
There is much truth in all of this...

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("Dont cry, we are not a democracy" )

Sadly, Bruno Ganz who did this epic performance died last week..

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Brexit - My expert opinion is that I haven't got a clue what's going on. Indeed, I'm probably only a step behind the politicians in this.

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