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Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Hafiz » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:19 pm

Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

“Egypt's President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi will inaugurate on Tuesday a number of new electricity mega projects in the country, including the Gabal El-Zeit wind farm, which is considered the largest in the world, according to the Egyptian presidency.

Launched in 2015 in the Red Sea governorate, the Gabal El-Zeit wind farm will have a total of 300 wind turbines with an overall capacity of 580 megawatts.” (no mention of the contractor). http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent ... n-wor.aspx

This is garbage and a lie that takes 20 seconds to disprove. They don't mention that wind will, probably, be more expensive.

There are dozens vastly larger including the Chinese one which will be 38 times larger in 2020 and is currently 15-20 times larger. https://interestingengineering.com/the- ... -footprint

In any case why would you plunge head-first into a new, expensive, complicated technology that you had no previous experience of or any skills to manage or maintain. Wouldn’t a sensible person scale up over a few years.

Another pathetic attempt to create a soufflé out of offal except, as with all other matters, lots of money gets wasted and delivery is a fraction of the promise.

There has been huge amounts tossed around in the last 4 years on solar (no Egyptian skills to run or maintain it and produces more expensive power than gas), gas, (maybe coal), now wind and a huge investment of $US30 billion for the dynamite Russian nuclear reactor (no Egyptian skills to run or maintain it and produces more expensive power). There is nothing spent to improve the efficiency of the horrible wire network which leaks power nor on the most basic conservation/demand reduction systems like high technology globes, house and flat design, new technology street lighting, energy efficient appliances, rules for companies to turn out office lights, special deals with corporate high users to ‘smooth out’ their peak usage to remove the spikes in the demand on the total system, tax breaks to companies and individuals to install roof top solar etc.

These options are cheap and force the citizen/company to face the screamingly obvious - we wast energy and need to change our behavior. Some of these domestic options might also, with government incentives, reduce household costs for the poor as well as the drain on the whole system leading, which if not managed, to new expensive plants which will increase the unit cost of electricity..With all the new capital and new technology one thing is certain - future electricity will become expensive whatever happens to the subsidy system

Substantially more expensive power may also affect jobs in the sense that it will add to costs and the costs of products in the domestic and export market. In general terms high energy costs will threaten your company and may lead you to reduce staffing/replace people with machines. We will see but I suspect that the most successful countries in 20 years will be those that have sorted their energy - environment safe and low cost.

In addition, and not referred to much publically in Egypt, the government has signed a huge $US18 billion gas supply contract with Israel. What this gas will be used for is a mystery and won't Egypt soon be the 'biggest gas producer in the world' from its own sources. In particular its signed it with a company, Apache, which is quite small but the co-discoverer of the giant Israeli Leviathan field. So its Jewish gas and with Apache a Jewish firm. Wait till the souk hears this. In any event its another huge lump on money spent on energy - in this case hard currency sent outside Egypt.

In typical fashion the Junta hates detail/adjustment/refinement/reform and always wants to build another new pyramid rather than fix up the last one.



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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Dusak » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:37 pm

Luxor has made a small movement towards energy saving, we have had solar powered street lighting for a couple of years now, one small step for mankind and all of that.
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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Hafiz » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:56 pm

Have they installed new globes in this system - high efficiency ones - or just done the expensive panels with usual high usage globes/fluro tubes?

Incentives/subsidies for high efficiency globes in homes/offices would have a big impact but, perversely for the government owned electricity agency, reduce demand/their income. Maybe the mad logic is to ensure the government systems stay profitable through big usage rather than cutting back on usage via changed behavior/more efficient technology. Could Egypt be as mad as that?

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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Winged Isis » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:10 am

Years ago when in Hurghada, I was frequently laughing as I passed store after store which had maybe a dozen rows of ceiling lights, plus others in display cases etc. They thought it was energy efficient no doubt, but the sheer number of lights would have meant less efficiency, not to mention the heat generated, making their air-con work harder..
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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Dusak » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:41 am

Hafiz wrote:Have they installed new globes in this system - high efficiency ones - or just done the expensive panels with usual high usage globes/fluro tubes?

Incentives/subsidies for high efficiency globes in homes/offices would have a big impact but, perversely for the government owned electricity agency, reduce demand/their income. Maybe the mad logic is to ensure the government systems stay profitable through big usage rather than cutting back on usage via changed behavior/more efficient technology. Could Egypt be as mad as that?
Not quite sure of that, bit hard to tell what bulb is in 25foot up with a glass cover on. :lol: But what they have started to use are the cluster LED lights, 50,000 hours I believe. I have one outside my door, into the third year now, in the past it would of been on its second sodium bulb which are expensive.
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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Major Thom » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:05 pm

Where is the cash coming from?? Surely not more borrowed cash!!

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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Hafiz » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:32 am

A related story about the astronomical rate of increase in energy capacity - a deal of it dirty and involving importation of coal - for reasons I can't work out and which go way beyond the problems of electricity supply a few years ago.

'Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Tuesday has inaugurated a number of new electricity mega projects in the country, including the Gabal El-Zeit wind farm that is considered the largest in the world (the one above which is far from the largest in the world).
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Egyptian president has also inaugurated, through a video conference, three power plants constructed by Germany’s Siemens in the country’s new capital, Beni Suef, and Burlus, to produce a total capacity of 14.4 gigawatts, boosting Egypt’s power generation by 50 percent." https://energyegypt.net/sisi-inaugurate ... l-el-zeit/

All of it new debt which has got to be re payed by, at least in part, much higher electricity prices.

With the wind farm its at the southern base of the canal, in the middle of nowhere, a lot like the solar farms so you worry about the loss of their power on the transmission lines to the end users and most know that the older lines owned by the government are poor and loose power. Its a bit like putting the most expensive petrol into a garden motor mower.

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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by BENNU » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:44 pm

Denmark is Heading Towards 60% Wind Energy

By State of Green, 17 Oct 2017

More green energy in the electricity grid: Over the next few years, Vattenfall’s wind turbines will increase the amount of installed wind capacity in Denmark from 5,300 to 6,800 MW.

In a few years, wind turbines will supply the equivalent of 60% of Denmark’s electricity consumption, which is a marked increase in comparison to the roughly 45% supplied by wind turbines in the first half of 2017. A significant part of the explanation for this lies in the plans currently being executed by Vattenfall, both offshore, nearshore, and onshore.

Presently, the first four of 49 poles are being constructed on the bottom of the North Sea. Once completed, Horns Reef 3 will be the largest offshore wind turbine park in Denmark to date.

-Related News: Danish Electricity Prices Lower than German and English

-The first monopiles were transported from the Netherlands to Horns Reef 3, but most of the subsequent work will take place from Esbjerg Harbour, including transportation of wind turbines, says Arne Rahbek, who is responsible for project communication regarding wind energy in Vattenfall.

Horns Reef 3 will consist of 49 wind turbines from MHI Vestas Offshore Wind. Each turbine will have a capacity of 8.3 MW, and thus the park will have a combined capacity of 407 MW, which is a little more than Ørsted’s Anholt Offshore Wind Farm (Ørsted is the company formerly known as DONG Energy) with it’s capacity of 400 MW.

Wind energy prices are falling
At the beginning of 2015, Vattenfall won a tender for the rights to build at Horns Reef 3. At the time, Vattenfall bid with a price of EUR 0.10/kWh, but a lot has happened since then.

For example, Vattenfall is now going to construct the nearshore wind farms North Sea South (170 MW) and North Sea North (180 MW) for EUR 0.06/kWh and the offshore windmill park Kriegers Flak (600 MW) at EUR 0.05/kWh. At recent international tenders, offshore wind developers such as Ørsted have indicated zero support for projects being carried out in 5-6 years. However, the prices are not directly comparable since the tender conditions in relation to for example support period and landing vary.

-We are looking into a market that can operate independent of subsidies for onshore wind turbines very soon, says Arne Rahbek, who is a bit more reserved in regards to the market for offshore wind turbines.

-Related News: 10 Examples of Successful Wind Energy Solutions

-A lot will depend on whether the wind energy industry manages to develop the next technological platform with turbines of 12-15 MW, and parallel to that, manages to produce foundations, cables, and other equipment cheaper, he points out.

Important with development in Denmark
Horns Reef 3 will be located 29-44 km from the west coast of Jutland, and the offshore windmill park is expected to produce the equivalent of the energy consumption of 425,000 households. Adding capacity to Denmark’s electricity supply in the future will be needed, as electricity consumption in Denmark is likely to rise in the coming years as companies such as Apple, Facebook, Google, and others establish data centres.

Vatenfall hopes to be able to construct two more offshore parks between 2020 and 2025. Closer cooperation between the countries around the North Sea is also very welcome:

-The plan from Energinet and TenneT to create an energy island on Dogger Bank in the North Sea is very positive in the long-term. The North Sea is one of the best areas for wind energy, with its shallow waters and good wind conditions, so there is a huge potential for developing the area into a powerhub for Europe, says Arne Rahbek.

Currently, the Danish wind turbine capacity is around 5,300 MW. During the next 3-4 years, Vattenfall will add 1,350 MW distributed on the windmill parks Horns Reef 3 and Kriegers Falk, as well as the nearshore North Sea South and North Sea North. In addition, there will be at least 150 MW onshore, so a minimum of 1500 MW in windmill capacity will be added to the Danish electricity grid in the coming years from Vattenfall’s projects alone.

Horns Reef 3 will begin to supply electricity to the electricity grid in West Jutland during 2018,. The construction work takes place on an offshore area of 88 km2, and is situated 34 km off the west coast of Jutland. The wind turbines and foundations for Horns Reef 3, which will be in full operation in 2020, will be built in Denmark, Germany and the UK.


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Re: Egypt – Largest Wind Farm in the World.

Post by Who2 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:43 pm

The wind farm does seem to be working, it's far 'windeyer than it used to be... 8)
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