One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Egyptian style

[newcastle]

The proposed bill criminalising atheism is but the latest in bizarre legislation discussed, though not (as yet) enacted by Egypt's parliament since 2016

From Ripped Jeans Ban to Virginity Tests: Egypt’s Parliament Most Bizarre Bills

EGYPTIAN STREETS
MAY 26, 2017

After three years of vacuum in the legislative branch, Egypt’s House of Representatives made a comeback in January 2016 following a rather low turnout in the parliamentary elections.

The elected parliamentarians successfully drew the public’s attention through their uncanny sessions. Controversy erupted after several bills and drafts had been suggested and filed for discussions, also after the public feuds between the members were aired.

Footage of random voting on bills surfaced, showing thorough “randomness” (I think they mean "madness") under the Egyptian parliament’s dome. Other footage suggested that some MPs are not allowed to discuss draft laws.

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Apart from the clashes and quarrels inside the parliament that are common in several countries, Egypt’s parliamentarians have repeatedly proved that they don’t have much to bring to the table. Every now and then, a member decides to come up with a new controversial draft law that makes people question whether these MPs are actually familiar with people’s needs and demands or not. (indeed, one might question their sanity.)

Ban on Western Names

MP Bedir Abdul-Aziz, the representative of Kafr Al-Sheikh governorate suggested a jail term and a fine that ranges between EGP 1,000 to 5,000 to be imposed on parents who give their children Western names.

In the bill’s defense, Abdul-Aziz said that names like Mark and Sam will distort the Egyptian heritage and culture. He said in statements to the privately-owned Al-Youm Al-Sabee that he is trying to alleviate the embarrassment of kids from their names, adding that they suffer from these Western names as they grow up.

Abdul-Aziz also decided to get personal in his statements and told a story about baby twins whose grandparents didn’t know how to spell their names. “When I got home, I couldn’t find an origin for these names in our Arabic language,” said Abdul-Aziz.

Ripped Jeans

MP Abdul-Kareem Zakareya, a member of the parliament’s religious committee suggested a uniform for all students in any educational institution, including universities. Zakareya believes that uniform will limit the new trend of ripped jeans and will help combat “revealing clothes”.

Registration Fees for Facebook

Parliamentarians suggested imposing registration fees on users to be able to access Facebook. These fees are aimed at easing up the “monitoring” process of users and spotting those who use the platform to spread hatred.

In essence, the Egyptian constitution stipulates that monitoring can only be done under particular conditions, random monitoring would be unconstitutional. However, the MPs who endorsed the bill said that Facebook “destroyed Egypt”.

Disobeying Parents

MP Shadia Kheidr filed a draft law that criminalises disobeying parents and imposes a severe penalty on disobeyers.

The draft law suggested a 3-year-jail term for anyone who violates the rule and disobey their parents, and/or a fine that ranges between EGP 500 to EGP 10,000.

Encouragement of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)

Former MP Elhamy Agina suggested that Egyptian women undergo FGM procedures in order to curb their sexual appetites. In defense of his suggestion, Agina said that the majority of Egyptian men suffer from impotence and cannot keep up with their partners’ needs.

FGM is criminalised in the Egyptian Law.

Virginity Tests

Agina, as well, suggested that girls should undergo virginity tests before their admittance to universities. He defended his bill saying that it will help combat Urfi marriages (informal marriages that are not announced).

Documentation of Engagements

MP Abla Al-Hawary is currently working on a bill to document engagements and impose fines on the one who decides to call off the engagement.

Al-Hawary said that this law will help limit the problems that erupt between families and partners over the gifts and presents.

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In contrast to women, comedians - and pugilists - seem somewhat over-represented in Egypt's parliament

[Major Thom]

Bleeding ridiculous, but just shows to the rest of the World how controlling and manipulative Egypt is. All of these suggestions would be laughed upon by the Western World.

Ban on Western names, well suppose they could call everyone Mohamed, or Ahmed, and never heard of Dusak in the Western World!

Ripped Jeans, No difference from the quality of half the clothes men wear there anyway.

Registration Fee's on Facebook, HO HO HO. another blow to human rights, Facebook is free at source!

Disobeying parents, can you imaging the queue of parents outside the Police Station?

FGM, How many have been prosecuted in the past few years since it was banned. Tells a story to me! Another load of S---e! This may soon apply to Tourists living there on visa's, you may have to take your certificate in to prove it for next years visa.

Virginity Tests, WHAT! another piece of S---e legislation aimed at keeping women in boxes, and manipulated by men. DRACONIAN
Would any tourists be banned from entering if they were not virgins?

Prison for breaking off engagements, again S---e legislation by thick, dense morons, It's people like this that hold a Country back, I see no future and no change in the next 100 years and considering its already 50 years behind most places its not saying a great deal.

These Laws may just be for Cairo they are nothing like the Laws in the Luxor Bubble

[Who2]

So, I would be very happy to receive your first-hand educated thoughts regarding the British Criminal Justice System ?
"If you have a spare 5 minutes.......

[Major Thom]

Trial by Jury is the order of the day, bungs not accepted, look at Moriaties Police Law or Blackwells, see the laws for yourself and the definitions of the laws, you will then understand why British Law is the best, OK some still get away with things but that is because the full definition could not be met.

Take this

A person is guilty of theft if they
Dishonestly appropriate property
Belonging to another
With the intention
Of permanently
Depriving the other of it.

Unless all these definitions can be met the person is innocent, three words in the definition take a lot of proving, Dishonestly, Intention and Permanently. So it's up to the Police and CPS to prove, and the defense to disprove. Nothing like that in Egypt and you know full well there is not. Its a case of who has the most cash to spend. Lawyers talk to each other to get the most out of their clients, its a case of 100% corruption.

Remember the Great Train Robbery, some of you may be too young, but the driver of the train who was beaten up lived for over a year and 1 day after the robbery, if he had died withing a year and a day, a murder or manslaughter charge would have been sought.

[carrie]

But according to you none of this applies if they don't know it's a crime.

[Major Thom]

The difference Carrie is Common Law is a Law respected by the people, unlike Statute Law. How many people know its illegal to shake your rugs outside your house. Would you not expect a murderer to not get punished? most people would, because, a) The Western World is fairly well educated and b) thats is what the majority of people would expect. Very few people know statute laws unless they look them up. The case of the Tramadol girl is unique because she did not understand the law, (I appreciate its not really and excuse) but the fact she did not try and conceal them like other drug smugglers do, is a realisation that she was in her mind doing nothing wrong. Again I would ask who asked her to bring them across? did not come out in litigation, was her partner not involved, there are other pain killers besides Tramadol, why was Tramadol the chosen pain killer? did her partner express the need for Tramadol, never heard of litigation to this fact, did anyone else.

I presume the wearing of ripped jeans is also applied to tourists! Surely you cannot have rules for one and not the other, better make it know before they arrive

[carrie]

Nothing to do with education the majority of the world would expect a murderer to be punished. Your argument which you seem to have dropped was that she didn't know the law so should not be held accountable. Well I am sure you and others have tried to lock away many who claimed not to know what they were doing was wrong.
Her husband apparently attended court and since I wasn't there I don't know what he said but there again could my defense in law be "he told me to do it?"
Didn't work for the Nazi's did it?

[Who2]

Typical Police tactics it's professional name is 'verballing or to you and me Lying.....

Mills died in February 1970 shortly after moving. He died of chronic lymphocytic leukaemia, with a further complication of bronchial pneumonia.

The West Cheshire Coroner concluded that there was no reason to hold an inquest and that while he was aware that Mills had been injured in the incident, there was no connection as far as he was concerned.[5]

Actually he died 7 years & 6 months later.................a mute point when 'verballing...

[newcastle]

Nothing to do with education the majority of the world would expect a murderer to be punished. Your argument which you seem to have dropped was that she didn't know the law so should not be held accountable. Well I am sure you and others have tried to lock away many who claimed not to know what they were doing was wrong.
Her husband apparently attended court and since I wasn't there I don't know what he said but there again could my defense in law be "he told me to do it?"
Didn't work for the Nazi's did it?

Haven't heard much of the "husband" although I gather he put in an appearance.

Maybe encouraging a foreigner to bring in illegal drugs isn't an offence in Egypt. Maybe he denied he knew about it.

Maybe he's been punished enough with his gravy train from Hull having hit the buffers in spectacular fashion.

Then again.....plenty more fish in the sea, as they say.