Jihadists

[Horus]

Well according to some news reports (namely Sky) it would seem that a notorious ISIS female jihadi recruiter is attempting to flee back to the UK from Raqqa. Sally Jones who’s nom de guerre was Umma Hussain al Britani is said to be trying to return to the UK with her young son who some reports also say has been involved in the executing of prisoners. Her husband was killed by a drone strike and was ISIS chief of digital jihad. Personally I cannot see that a fanatic like her would want to exchange being a martyr for a life in prison in the UK, unless of course she is hoping that Corbyn gets into power then she can get a council house, a widows pension and child benefit. I just hope that they keep closing in on the remaining jihadists and take them all out, we don't want any of them back here.

[carrie]

I don't know the legal situation but if she is a British citizen with British passport I don't suppose anyone can stop her returning to the UK. If she can get there.
Nothing should be done by the UK Gov to help her return and if she does then prison, although that means another drain on the countries resources.
If I could decide then I would say stay where you are you are not welcome in the UK. Die with your friends.

[Dusak]

I think that it would be a good idea for this woman and her Damion son to be given a grand procession through the streets of either Manchester or London, chained together. Then it would give the British public their well earned opportunity to vent their fury towards something other than Brexit, turn it into a Brickxit.

[newcastle]

A tale reeking of implausibility.

Although Jihadi Sally may not have been far from Damascus, the likelihood of a Damascene conversion seems improbable.....going by her history.

That her ISIS mates would cheerfully wave her on her way is even more improbable.

Sky News should concentrate on something in the real world. ....Wimbledon perhaps.

[Horus]

Oh no! not Wimbledon does my head in

[Mad Dilys]

Though it is marginally better than cricket and waaaaay better than football.

Australian rules football or Rugby however are a different matter

[Ruby Slippers]

The BBC was running the same piece of news this morning.

[carrie]

Yes MD they are played by MEN

[Zooropa]

I have a slightly different take on this.

If she is British then we have an obligation internationally to take her back and deal with her.

Most people are always banging on about not being able to deport foreign scumbags in this country to wherever it is they came from.

It would be hypocritical to tell other countries we didnt want them back.

Whilst Corbyn isnt in power of course.

Forget widows pensions and council houses.

She will be straight into his shadow cabinet - Shadow Foreign Minister probably.

[Major Thom]

Take her to Luxor, they tie women to Lamposts for trying to steal babies. So for what she has done they will hang, draw and quarter her. Maybe the best thing. I notice n one placed the report on here about that woman, when it was issued in one of the Luxor Papers. But many saw the pictures because the media put it on their internet site. How stupid of them.

[Dusak]

I was watching a news item a while ago. They were discussing the suicide bombers in general. It was stated by one of the aid consultants on the panel that because more women are taking up the cause by becoming belt wearers, it is now getting extremely more difficult and dangerous to sift them out. But she also stated that they had had a twelve year old girl blow herself up at a checkpoint recently. It is now becoming more noticeable just how many very young children are being used successfully in the terror campaign of ISIS. The Viet Cong used children a lot in their war with America. At first it was very difficult for the American soldiers to shoot and kill a young child, even when they saw that they were carrying an explosive device towards them. In those circumstances it must be an extremely difficult on the spot decision to take, to kill a child or chance being killed yourself, especially if they have kids of their own back home.

[Hafiz]

MT said: "Luxor, they tie women to Lamposts for trying to steal babies"

Is there any evidence for this statement? If not, it is an appalling defamation on Luxor as well as a lie. If no evidence for this statement it should be withdrawn and an unreserved apology made.

Dusak. The Viet-Cong and body bombers - pretty rare if not unprecedented - children - not read that but will check - on the other hand, booby trapping dead bodies - yes.

The big 'kick-off' 30 years ago in live female body bombers were the non-religious Tamil Tigers, so you don't need to be a religious fanatic to want to kill yourself and innocent civilians.

As I understand it tactics in Iraq have changed. The current approach is to completely surround ISIS cities/towns and kill all insurgents rather than allow some to escape as had previously been the case. This is leading to high ISIS kill rates, but also high civilian casualties because there is now limited capacity for civilians to escape before full encirclement.

In this country politicians are being reasonably frank about the desirability of killing as many as possible Australian ISIS citizens in the field and surprisingly little outrage at associated civilian deaths. Unfortunately many ISIS types have their children with them - although some of these, as you will remember, have been socialized from an early age in extreme savagery and used in ISIS propaganda. Interestingly, few here show any 'curiosity' about the fates of such well known Australo-ISIS child celebrities.

The chances of them getting back to either Australia or the UK would depend on the marksmanship of Turkish soldiers and 'due process' in Turkey. I expect that few will return via that route and return via Lebanon,Iraq and Jordan will be similarly risky. The real risk could be Saudi, but no-one will publically talk about our 'close friends' and armament buyers

Comments above ignore the benefits of their arrest and detention in the UK - particularly their potential use as sources of intelligence. Turning them will not be helped by public pillorying but might feed the mood of the mob.

[carrie]

Well I for one have never heard of women being tied to lampposts and just spoken to my landlord and neither has he. He lives in Esba and the carpenter he came with is from Djorf and he said nothing like that ever happened on the west bank or the east. Another figment of someone's imagination I fear.

[Dusak]

Just another dumper truck load of the severed dogs danglies, hence me ignoring it. In reference to the Viet Cong, this little known fact was highlighted on a recent documentary on the NHK channel, a hundred years of war with interviews from surviving American soldiers.

[Major Thom]

The story if I remember correctly was run on the Luxor Times or the Luxor Live site. It showed a woman tied to a lampost with a group of youngsters mocking her, the rope looked to be heavy so could have been boat tying rope. I saw it on the internet about 2 weeks ago. In fact I even commented on the media's story on how disgraceful it was and they should have been ashamed to have published the picture and story.
Luxor News Live, published 3rd July 2017 is where you will find it. Although vague and some of you will say its not Luxor, then why would it be published in Luxor News Live...... B----y Disgraceful

[HEPZIBAH]

The story if I remember correctly was run on the Luxor Times or the Luxor Live site. It showed a woman tied to a lampost with a group of youngsters mocking her, the rope looked to be heavy so could have been boat tying rope. I saw it on the internet about 2 weeks ago. In fact I even commented on the media's story on how disgraceful it was and they should have been ashamed to have published the picture and story.
Luxor News Live, published 3rd July 2017 is where you will find it. Although vague and some of you will say its not Luxor, then why would it be published in Luxor News Live...... B----y Disgraceful

I have seen those photographs too. Whilst I in no way condone 'mob rule', I can understand the anger of local people if that woman has indeed been known to steal a baby/babies. There have been many reports recently of youngsters going missing - from young babies and toddlers to older children who should be reasonably safe walking to and from school, playing out etc.

To say that the photographs show '...a group of youngsters mocking her,...' is misleading. They may well be young people in the crowd (of which the photographs show very little) but they are young adults not children or teenagers.

To say '... the rope looked to be heavy so could have been boat tying rope...' is also misleading - in as much as that you are leading people to believe something that may or may not be true but you sowing the seed. The rope as shown in the photograph is a general purpose rope, available to buy in many places in Luxor and useful for all sorts of jobs.

This is yet again another incident of you knowing an awful lot about something that is on a site that you hate and never use i.e the Social Media format of Facebook.

I should just add that Luxor News Live is not very discerning in the photographs that it uses. It will often use stock photographs, and repeat them regularly for various unrelated news items. So, it may well be that the photographs that we have both seen have nothing to do with Luxor at all.

[newcastle]

Take her to Luxor, they tie women to Lamposts for trying to steal babies.

Do they? An overstatement based on scant information. That Egyptian villagers are prone to take the law into their own hands is hardly "news". And, as Hepzibah has pointed out, your description of the pictures is erroneous in various ways.

So for what she has done they will hang, draw and quarter her.

Ridiculous hyperbole

Maybe the best thing. I notice n one placed the report on here about that woman, when it was issued in one of the Luxor Papers.

Why would anyone post it here...a site for information/discussion on all matters Egypt-related and of general interest. Not tittle-tattle.

But many saw the pictures because the media put it on their internet site. How stupid of them.

We can always rely on you though. Particularly if it's an item that might show Egypt in a negative way and hence justify your hasty exit.

Get over yourself.

[Dusak]

I think its time we tied this topic up.

[Horus]

I think its time we tied this topic up.

To a lamp post?

[Dusak]

and so on...