Death of Tutankhamun 2015

[Frater0082]

An off the wall question for you here Fratter.

Can you give a reason why Tut was encased in a solid gold inner coffin, a Pharaoh who reigned for only a few years, when the likes of such great men like Ramassis II, who made Egypt very wealthy, ended up with a gold leaf topped wood inner coffin version.

Like i've said on numerous occasions. I wasnt there. I was with my mother in Mitanni I missed those years. but I strongly feel that that's how he died.

[A-Four]

An off the wall question for you here Fratter.

Can you give a reason why Tut was encased in a solid gold inner coffin, a Pharaoh who reigned for only a few years, when the likes of such great men like Ramassis II, who made Egypt very wealthy, ended up with a gold leaf topped wood inner coffin version.

Like i've said on numerous occasions. I wasnt there. I was with my mother in Mitanni I missed those years. but I strongly feel that that's how he died.

If you ever visit Egypt Fratter, and I hope you do one day, you should visit the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. In its present state, as you enter the main door, turn right and climb up the staircase a short distance from you. At the top and slightly forward, to your right begins the Great Tutankhamoun Collection, to your immediate left though, you will observe the wooden lid depicting a carefully cut face of a Pharaoh, very few people even notice it, It's labelled up as the inner most coffin lid of Ramesess 11, and although it features the classic resemblements of this man, being hooked nose, strong jaw and five foot seven inches high, matters not a fig really to whether this was his most inner coffin. What is important is that we have many, most inner coffins and lids of the 18th - 20th dynasty Pharaoh's, which are similar.

Although many of them were once covered in gold leaf, none have the slightest hint of a wealth as that of Tutankhamoun's inner most coffin and lid. You say here you were not there at that time, well it may come as a surprise to you but, neither was I.

I put the 'off the wall' question to you again. Please do not look to others to answer this, simply give YOUR own honest oppinion why you think this one Pharaoh was so important, or other reason.

[Frater0082]

Honestly, I think the hype of Tut is modern. I feel that he's highly famous for his riches and not of his personal life.

think that Tut's burial was to protect him in the afterlife. It seems like someone really close to him wanted this that is why he is buried the way that he was. Ay's tomb was perfect for him. I feel like Ay switched burials with him so that his body wouldn't be disturbed like his ancestors.

I don't know why they reused the grave goods of Tiye, Akhenaten and possibly Smenkhare, but I garantee it was of grave robbers.

I think many of the late 18th Dynasty burials were to hide some knowledge of the Amarna Period.

[Frater0082]

I'm glad that he was found the way he was because I wouldn't have known where i came from.

[A-Four]

I like your answers here Fratter, well your first one posted at 4-02a.m., not so sure about the one at 4-05a.m., so perhaps you may benefit here and elsewhere by not disclosing such information. Who knows by doing this you may end up getting on one of Glyph's on line course, if so, may I suggest you change your user name.

Anyhow, swiftly moving on, I too will look at the situation with a bit of common sense, and therefore give you my oppinion. I honestly believe that, while we have the tomb and body of Tutankhamoun, we have the inner coffin and death mask of Akenaton, in the image of how he as a living God would want to be seen in the afterlife.

Although I am sure the gold could have quite easily have been melted down, the ever superstitious ancient Egyptians, would have frowed at this, especially if the heretic king Akenaten had already been buried in it and brought back to Luxor under the authority of the new Pharaoh. Although not allowed to be entombed in the sacred King's Valley, nevertheless buried nearby, perhaps in what we call the Monkey or Western Valley, where infact the father of Akenaton was also buried .(there is also good evidence that this was also a re-burial, though in this case from the King's Valley).

There is very good evidence that Akenaton's father changed his religious beliefs long before his son became Pharaoh, and perhaps the evidence for this can even be seen today, at the area today known as A-3 and at the Temple of Mut.

Also remember, that gold was seen as the earthly equal to the sun god Ra, at this time gold was in abundance and was used greatly to decorate the temple, evidence for this can still be seen on the sun disc wall decoration, especially at Hatchepsuit's so called Mortuary Temple.

[Frater0082]

What did I say wrong?

[A-Four]

Sorry Fratter another really busy day here for me, will write more tomorrow.

[A-Four]

I am sure that wherever you are in the U.S., there is a museum or university that offers free public lectures on this subject within Egyptology. You should attend gain knowledge in the background of the belief of when you was there. Do not offer in any way your beliefs.

In my main previous post, I have given you a dynamite question that you could offer up at a lecture, you will impress the lecturer, and to guarantee this, I assure you the whole of the front row of any such lecture is full of semi-retired school teacher, they certainly never fail to all look around to see who puts the first good question in years.

Many books in the 1980 to 1990 were full of rubbish that although made some of these authors quite famous, and ofcourse quite rich. It was evident that these had been students at the time and had spent no more than one season working on the West Bank, Luxor. There are enough people on here who will help you, with the general information as to site, how long in ancient times it would take to get from A to B. How the Egyptian mind and attitude works today, which is not so different from ancient times in the older people of the WB today, though much has changed in very recent years.

[Frater0082]

Thank you. I see I have a long way to go

[newcastle]

Frater - you'd do better to examine the books, video lectures etc. of Dr. Aidan Dodson.

He's done a great deal of work on the Amarna period and is currently working on a detailed analysis of the grave goods of Tutankhamun.

I saw a lecture of his (in America) on this very subject recently but can't find the link at the moment. His conclusions as to the persons for whom much of the funerary equipment was made are very persuasive....an excellent example of forensic archeology.

His knowledge (of the period which fascinates you most) is unparalleled.

[Frater0082]

thank you i will