Resurrection and Ascension

[Aromagician]

I just found this on ascension
Seems there were many different methods of getting up there.

Edwards looked for textual evidence in the Pyramid Texts, and quoted passages 1108 and 1231: “I have laid down for myself this sunshine of yours as a stairway under my feet…” and : “May the sky make the sunlight strong for you, may you rise up to the sky…” (I have used Faulkner’s more recent translation here). Edwards thus added that “the temptation to regard the true Pyramid as a material representation of the sun’s rays and consequently as a means whereby the dead king could ascend to heaven seems irresistible.” True, the sun’s rays are said to be a means for the dead pharaoh to ascend to the sky; but several other ‘means’ for precisely the same purpose are also mentioned in the Pyramid Texts. These are: On a ladder ( R.O. Faulkner titled Utterance 304 ‘The king climbs to the sky on a ladder’); on the wind: “the king is bound for the sky on the wind” (pyr. 309); on a storm-cloud/thunderbolt: “The king is a flame (moving) before the wind…there is brought to him a way of ascent to the sky” (Ut 261); on a hailstorm: “the hailstorms of the sky have taken me” (pyr. 336); on a reed-float/boat: “the reed-floats of the sky are set in place for me…I am ferried over to the eastern sky” (Ut. 263); by climbing a rope: “set the rope aright, cross the Milky Way…” (Ut. 254); on the thighs of Isis: “I ascend [to the sky] upon the thighs of Isis” (pyr. 379).

Evidently, climbing on the sun’s rays was not the only means, but yet another cosmic one made available for the celestial ascent of the departed king.

[Bullet Magnet]

I will contibute a bit more to this topic when I have had chance to digest the last 3 posts...
I'm having rather an unexpected busy week..

I have a Picture of the young Horus pointing at his mouth, AND also at his feet with the other hand, maybe that will assist in your thinking ?

Blue Lotus, a very powerful aphrodisiac and also has hallucinogenic properties, ( depending on how it is prepared ) but of course, the plant itself cannot put the images and scenes in ones mind, they already have to exist in there.
Maybe the Lotus and Shamanistic type rituals are helping to access that part of the brain that is reserved for when you die to assist in your passage from the physical form, when of course, all the mysteries of the YOUniverse are revealed (again) ?

[Aromagician]

Yes I am pondering the opening of the mouth ceremony. Which is what the young Horus does, which is why his finger is in his mouth.
Am not sure about the pointing to his feet.Unless it relates to the path he is following.
And then there is the double crown, not all Kings wore it. Did it relate only to unification of upper and lower Egypt? Or also to the unification of lower and higher minds.
Will have to think about that one.

[Aromagician]

symbolism of Horus/ Tutankhamen
The four sons of Horus, elementals, that are pictured as from the blue lotus plant may suggest some type of shamanic ritual takes place at the passing of the Kingship/ divineness so to speak.

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=65&z=5

It is Nymphaea caerulea which was used in ancient Egypt as an essential key to good health, great sex and re-birth. Because of the mythological, astral, representational and artistic significance of the water lily, it has been suggested that the ancient Egyptians used the blue lily for its narcotic effects to produce a shamanic ecstasy among the elite priesthood.

The blue lily was well represented in ancient Egyptian art; for example, a portrait of Tutankhamen shows his head emerging from a blue lotus flower. The water lily was associated with the sun god Ra as the bringer of light, and was found scattered over Tutankhamen’s body when the Pharaoh’s tomb was opened in 1922.

In one variation of the ancient Egyptian story of Horus and Seth, the lotus flower appears as a symbol of the divine, all-seeing eye. When Seth, the god of chaos, tracks down Horus, the god of light, in an oasis, he rips out his left eye and buries it in the sand, whereupon it is transformed into a lotus flower.



I did find this yesterday in Eric Nuhmans book " The Great Mother"

The bond between woman and plant can be followed through all the stages of human symbolism. The psyche as a flower, as lotus, lily and rose, the virgin as a flower in Eleusis, symbolise the flowerlike unfolding of the highest psychic and spiritual developments. Thus birth from the female blossom is an archetypal form of divine birth. whether we think of Ra, or Nefertem in Egypt or of the Buddhist "divine treasure in the lotus" or in the China and the modern west, of the birth of the self in the Golden flower.

Now this seems to suggest to me, that the divine birth, was not just being born to a King, as he often had many children and only one became the divine king. I think perhaps the chosen heir had to undergo a ritual of transformation possibly using the Blue lotus as a " shamanic aid" to enable him to see the underworld, and accompany the dead king on his route, at the end, ascending into his "divine Self" and therefore becoming the KING.
It may also explain why the myth often changes to some degree in each tomb, because it is experienced differently by the person in the ritual?

[Aromagician]

Found this great set of NAtional Geographic videos on Seti 1st tombs and the book of the dead.
They do tend to oversimplify things I reckon, which unfortunately leaves out all the symbolism. Horus is not even mentioned, only Ra. This is no 6 which shows the ascension, but the other 5 are there.
It doesnt however show the new king taking over?
Do you think that they scratched the book off the tombs of the Kings they didnt like, as they wanted to ensure
1) that they didnt become Gods ( and therefore stop their enemies still alive from getting through.
2) so that their heirs, couldnt take over the divine essence of Horus. If the new conquering King ( not connected by birth) took over. Such as in Horemhabs case?

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Am also interested how they often say in the videos that the food and stuff was there for when the pharoah came back into his body. Yet I always thought they were offerings,like other cultures still do today, where what was offered would materialise in the afterlife.

When I saw the tomb thought to have been that Osiris on a doco last nigh about the Scorpion King, it was covered in millions of pots. Offerings made on the tomb for years later. So the buried King could not have accessed them in his body, it would be his spirit surely that would come out and partake of the ingredients.

See here the tomb of King Djer was thought to be Osiris. This site shows a body buried in a foetus position http://www.dainst.org/en/project/abydos?ft=all

ready for "Birth " into the heavens as a God. In many cultures, the "gap" between heaven and earth opens at the time of death, and at the time of birth. At the same time death and birth. He dies to one form and is born into another.

[Aromagician]

Okay, now where was I. Bullet Magnet seems to have disappeared into the ethers, to contemplate my shamanic divulgences.

In the meantime, lets return to ascension and the ins and outs of it according to viewpoints of the mystical traditions.

There is supposedly according to many a divine ladder, that joins heaven and earth. the earth, is usually symbolic of the Mother, the Sky the father.

I am not sure why Geb is male?
Lets get back to Horus, I did find this quote
"The space between earth and heaven is parted out into divisions, my son Horus, according to a system of measured arrangement. These divisions are variously named by our ancestors, some of whom call them ‘zones’, others ‘firmaments’, and others ‘layers’. They are the haunts of the souls that have been released from their bodies, and likewise of the souls that have not yet been embodied.” (Hermetica, translated by Walter Scott, Shambala, 1985, p. 515.)

So what does that mean? It seems to be a zone, a place between life and death, or death and life, where the born are yet to manifest, and the dead are yet to leave by, A zone of sorts.

in the Rig Veda- Indian it says this
"“Those [steps] that are called descending are also termed ascending; and those that are called ascending are also termed descending; those [ascending and descending steps] …support these divine worlds as though they were yoked together on a pole.” (Rig Veda I.164.19)

In the bible it says this
"And behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.” (Genesis, chapter 28)

So not only must one be able to ascend, but to descend as well. Obviously I presume, as God must be present on heaven and earth, so if a King or "Horus" is to become divine he must be able to go up and down the steps to heaven.

A stairway to the sky is set up for me…that I may ascend on it to the sky.” (Pyramid Text, 1108)

“A stairway to the sky is set up for you among the imperishable stars. (Pyramid Text, 773-774)

“A ladder is set up for him that he may ascend on it.” (Pyramid Text, 1431)

“I ascend on this ladder, which my father Ra (the sun-god) made for me.” (Pyramid Text, 390)
On a documentary on TV tonight on the pyramids they claimed the pyramid ( one built by Snefu) was built to emulate the suns rays, so the King once deads, rays could reach the earth? So were the steps on the pyramid the way of the ascent, and the rays the way of descent?

[Bullet Magnet]

Sorry, I have been busy. Not forgotten... I will have time next week, been on call for 2 weeks.
and I'm still enjoying this topic Aromagician

[Aromagician]

Are there you are Bullet Magnet. Now in a blue ship. How lovely.

I did find something about Aquarius and its symbolism somewhere.
Let me have a look.
Now of course, when one reached the ladder of ascension, there has to be a transformation of sorts. One cannot go through all those trials and just be the same as you were when you started. What would be the point of that?
So we reach a place of merging, a place of change, a place of Alchemy. Changing a base metal to Gold, or a Base human into a God, or at least to have the consciousness of one.

I found this site, by Robert Cox ( havent heard of him before tonight) he says this
"In the Vedic tradition, the alchemical vessel was called the khumba--"the pot" that contains the amrita rasa. Khumba is also the name of the sign of Aquarius in Vedic astrology. This is the pot carried by Aquarius in the Greek tradition. The pot of Aquarius contained the ambrosia--the drink of the gods, by when they were rendered immortal.

The implication is that the coming age of Aquarius will be the age when the lost alchemical key, the fabulous elixir that "all, both gods and mortals, seek to obtain, calling it rasa," will be rediscovered and made available to every human being on earth, and not just the elite few."


http://finalevent.info/index.php?option ... 6&Itemid=1
Now he seems to say he has a recipe including mercury?? Not sure what that is about. I am more of the opinion that our own bodies and minds can produce different chemicals etc which can also be effected by the atmosphere and the environments we live in. Will the changes happening to the earth, change the atmosphere in some way that may cause us all to experience other realities ( some would call this madness, and I am sure mercury if ingested would cause this. The Mad hatter would attest to this)

[Aromagician]

have just been listening the the Gnostics view on Salvation, based on the texts found at Nag [url]Hammadihttp://bcrecordings.net/freenonmem/100700.mp3[/url]

He talks of how Christianity is based on the premise that humans "have fallen" That something went terribly wrong and we are born sinners.That we are in a prison, or in a state that requires us to require freedom, or help to break out of. Christians believe in Jesus can give you salvation. Sinner comes from the word that used to mean " off the mark"

Gnostics seem to be more of the view that one has to want to reach the heights, i.e leave the darkness, the unconscious combined with help coming from the heavens,joining together in the middle is what creates the Resurrection or the salvation and return the state of "heaven". Th Conjunction.
he also talks of how there have been many sages and messianic figures that have come to earth as saviour figures. Salvation comes from the word that meant " to make whole". As though it refers to spiritual healing- Healing of our souls from the great wound of existing and living in this great mixed up world.
He asserts that all religions contain "the Mysteries", the conveying of spiritual power, through initiatory procedures rather than through words so as to bypass the logical mind. And through this they obtain " Liberation and freedom".
There are activities that great spiritual teachers initiate that are not verbal, that cause mystical empowerment, where invisible energy is passed on and kindled within. Gnostics believe that jesus performed these which is how the Salvation was produced.

Was the Book of the Dead also noting a type of initiation? The passing of spiritual power from one king to the next.


You can listen to it on the above link.

[Aromagician]

Now some people would say that the underworld, is the earth, the mother and also the lower self.
The heavens, are the skies, and the father and the higher self of oversoul.

Therefore ascending, is combining your lower soul, which only has knowledge of your present time and space, to the oversoul, which is more powerful, and is beyond time, therefore having access to knowledge and creating of everything. By AScending you are able to access the Higher self and use its wisdom and intuition to direct the lower soul?

What divides this? Some call it the veil. And in fact in the jewish temples they used to have veil that hung down, separating the church or temple from the people and the priests, who were the only ones who could "see beyond the veil."

Who is the guardian of the veil? Some say that it is ISIS. The Lady of the Veil, who keeps the separation between the two worlds, or two parts of ourselves.
http://intermetu.com/2012/02/what-is-th ... ment-24665

This article above suggests that the lower soul is dictated to by time, that time is the veil . Once lifted we become joined with the oversoul, that is timeless.

Here is another specifically about the "VEIL OF ISIS"

http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications ... strong.pdf

It says this:
Plutarch, in commenting on the
truths hidden in Egyptian religion,
recounts that this shrine contains a most
striking inscription:
“And the shrine of Athena at Saïs (whom
they consider the same as Isis) bears this
inscription, ‘I am all that hath been, and
is, and shall be; and my veil no mortal has
hitherto raised.”’3

[LivinginLuxor]

You might be interested in this eThesis - it's about false doors and their purposes.

http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/3048/1/Takenoshita11MPhil.pdf

[Aromagician]

Couldnt see that file Stan, no matter what I did, it would start to download , then would go all funny..
Not sure why, maybe I will try again tomorrow.

[LivinginLuxor]

Just reclicked on the link in my post, and it works from here.

[Aromagician]

Must have been something wrong on my other computer, this one opened it no problem.

Must say it was very hmm statistically correct, very long winded, and I got up to page 80 odd I think then had to give up as my daughter is going on at me to talk to her instead,sooooo will try and have a look later. but is more of a different concept. It is one of going and coming from the underworld to the tomb to get offerings, rather than ascension.

However one must ask, if the King was supposed to cycle every night carryiing the souls to heaven or the skies, than why do they require food at all? surely they should be well fed in the heavens?

[Aromagician]

Okay finished it! Phew 160 pages later.
I did find it interesting that the dead person communicates with the family through the inscriptions on the door, asking for offerings etc, and that the living wrote letters to the deceased asking them to intervene in their lives in earth.
Obviously seeing them as having some interaction amongst the living. A reciprocal arrangement, I feed you, and you look after me...


Loved the pictures of the doors at the last pages. Always remember seeing all the "false doors " should be called spirit doors at the Cairo museum and thinking - are they all stuck in their tombs now??

[Bullet Magnet]

I have been away for a while, sorry I missed this.

I hope this may help.

The title of your topic should really read. Resurrection OR Ascension.

One could ascend at any time into the next dimension, at which point the human body is no longer required. You would dump it without any thought or care once you hit the right frequency and ascend. You have no choice, but it is what you have been working towards all of your lives.

ressurection means you are back on earth again. When you "die", you lose your earth memories when you return to what I call home.
I guess it's the bibles version of Heaven. We are not judged there though, and Everyone goes to heaven.
You have to come back into the game because obvoiusly you did not ascend. From there ( home, heaven), you choose everything about the next life on earth, parents, names, everything. Once you are born, you do not remember being home. this all happens on a sub-conscious level obviously. you cant cheat at this game..

Its a tricky game right now at this moment in our time, so much deception in the game of life, but one can learn to rise above that.

We need to see what those Egyptians were trying to say..
I'll try to add more later, sorry to do that right now, as I really appreciate all the effort you have put into this topic, and it has helped me somewhat, so thank you for that.

[Aromagician]

Yes, but what about ascension and resurrection while still in the same body? That is what the mystics and saints, such as Jesus etc achieved.

Ascending spiritually, so that you are one with God, or you have joined the lower worlds/ subconscious with the heavens/ higher mind, and now "remember who you are" as a soul. The forgetting that occurred when you descended to earth, or into a physical body ( or were thrown out of heaven some might say) is removed. You become a fully conscious realised being, linked with the heavens whilst still present on earth.
Conscious of present past and future and the connectedness of all people, all creatures, all events and their ramifications on the Universe (s).

Existing within and without time. Time is no longer linear as once realised you can access all parts of it, as it all exists already. There is no seperation.

[Bullet Magnet]

Yes, but what about ascension and resurrection while still in the same body? That is what the mystics and saints, such as Jesus etc achieved.

False Prophets !!! If you achieved ascension, this world really does not matter anymore, YOU now have the greater understanding of how the game works. Just as you do at the point of death. remember, Life is just an illusion.

Jesus was a concept, not a man. The Romans used this concept to create Jesus.. The same way that they distorted the Pagan knowledge into Christianity..
Think about the name Jesus, think about the area where he was supposed to have lived.

If YOU were to achieve ascension at this level in the Human world, at that moment, even if you were surrounded by your entire earth family, you would be out of here without a thought for them. Sort of saying to them "see ya suckers ! I'm outta here"..
No way would you want to, or need to come back, Your soul has been burdened with this low vibration for so long and now it is free again.

WE did not fall, per say, we lowered our vibration, we had to that is how we enter the game. It's like falling, but falling seems like some kind of failure.
It's how things are described and worded, and how religion distorted the truth to make YOU feel bad about yourself and how YOU came to "fear" God.
YOU Mis-created God's perfect creation(s) through fear. YOU know the truth, you think you cannot find it, and religion offers a sort of half truth that you accept as truth.
That is why religion is rammed down our throats from a very young age, and the misconceptions of life are taught to us by our parents.

Planet earth as we understand it is like a nursery school in the bigger picture of things. We are here to learn.
How it all transpires is known to Authority and to some individuals on this earth.
I think the Egyptians were trying to tell us of that, but the interpretation we are given is a gross distortion.

Knowing WHO you are is part of the graduation process out of Nursery school. You will realise that you are ONE with everything and everything is you. That is the realisation of the knowledge you have always had, what you have "forgotten". Then your life changes with this realisation.
How can you hurt anyone now? she's your sister, she is you, not metaphorically she really is YOU !

Authority does not want you to know that, and that is why Authority is irrelevant, like religion who reinforces Authority. They create self governing sheep out of people.
Quite honestly, it's nothing short of a miracle that anyone actually makes it off this world in this day and age in the western society.

[Bullet Magnet]

One thing to add.

A long time ago, when we joined this nursery school. If that was the only thing that happened, then all well and good.
The problem was / is, we were then joined by a race who shall we say, failed to graduate. They had to start all over again, with us.

Now, with the knowledge they already had, the class is divided.. Welcome to life on earth..

[Aromagician]

Once you have ascended you wouldnt care anymore?

I disagree. There have always been compassionate beings, such as the buddha, krishna, Jesus, Osiris? , Horus? who whilst have ascended spiritually, have chosen to remain on this earth in a physical body. For what reason? Perhaps to provide an anchor for the higher energies of the heavens to be able to be more accessible for those who are struggling on the earth.

The life of some of the Indian Gurus are demonstrations of this. They spend all their days meditating, or accessing the higher realms. This provides a bridge, or an energy highway so to speak for the heavenly energies to manifest on earth and in those around them.

Everyone provides a different piece of the whole. Each is equally important. To some they seem to be making no " material contribution" to the Universe. Yet as we are all made of energy, the light they may allow to " come through" may be making all the difference.

Life on earth surely is not about ascension as the goal. As many people have many goals. And that simply is not the goal for the majority. Ascension is more likely the goal of the soul which seeks many ways to achieve this.

I agree that in many cases religions have altered mystical teachings to produce fear and limitations. More as a requisite for providing wealth to a select few, rather than enlightenment to the masses. Yet within it there are still many beads of light., that can be strung together to create a whole.