COVID 19 - A new understanding.

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COVID 19 - A new understanding.

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At the end of summer 2020 we were informed of the new transmission of Covid 19. The situation was at that time, even though it was expected that a vaccine would be found, there would be what was known then as 'sleepers'. These would be the people who suffered no symptoms what so ever but would go on to become what we now call "super spreaders". Many young people in the past who contracted Rubella, Polio, Petussis, etc never suffered symptoms, and though vaccinated still held the virus within their body, later in life it was discovered that the dormant virus had aided other serious conditions in their later life.

At the beginning of September 2020 the British government secretly announced "Operation Moonshot", within days it was leaked by the B.M.J. it was a plan to mass continuous test the whole population, with the idea that by the Spring '21, at least ten million people a day would be tested. The whole cost of this crazy project was put at £100 Billion. The subject was ridiculed by the doctors union, among many others, it is believed it was the Treasury that finally put the last nail in the coffin, though I should mention it was replaced by 'Track and Trace', which incidentally has so far cost the exchequer £34 Billion.

At the beginning of January this year the various vaccines were being rolled out, could the government really expect people to first take a test for Covid 19, then each person isolate for one week for the test result, before being given vaccine. The cost of such an exercise would have cost a fortune, not to mention the conspiracy theorists, who would have had a field day. Those in the U.K. who have already been vaccinated, will remember that it was recommended that they should remain relaxed for fifteen minutes, after the injections, in case of any immediate serious reaction. Today, as improvements are made to the 'Track and Trace' system, a Covid test will give results in no more than 30 minutes. All of a sudden we are hearing that although previously thought, our youngest people and children were relatively safe from Covid, we suddenly find there is some urgency in the need to vaccinate everyone in the whole nation, as even repeated today by the British Prime Minister.

I wonder, is it too much to ask that our youngest people, who's lives will be at greater risk as they age, should simply take a wait of 30 minutes to test for 'hidden' Covid, before their first vaccine injection.


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A rather interesting article in last weeks Saturday Guardian, regarding covid & children.
One for all the anti vaxxers out there........ 8)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... bH4x1i5nks
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Here in Wales they are now pushing hard to get everyone vaccinated, including the second jab.

By coincidence I had an email today saying I can now get my second jab early, so I will be going tomorrow morning.

No pre testing for covid, just walk in and get the jab and out again within 5 mins.

Excellent service. 😎
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Who2 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:28 am A rather interesting article in last weeks Saturday Guardian, regarding covid & children.
One for all the anti vaxxers out there........ 8)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... bH4x1i5nks
Do they need more encouragement?

It seems every man and his dog is a world class epidemiologist nowadays.

Don’t bother listening to the likes of Professor Van-Tam.......you can learn all you need from Facebook and Twitter or even the meanderings of our very own medical expert :lol:
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Surprisingly a few of my friends that I thought were quite intelligent are anti vaxxers.
They promote quite intelligent reasons for their views.

I am afraid I have given up on trying to convince them the opposite.
Another reason I will not be getting on a plane back to Egypt any time soon.

It's not Egypt that bothers me it's getting there and the tourists that think having a holiday
during this pandemic that worries me.

I always realised that I have been surrounded by total idiots from a very young age.... 8)

Ps: A very wise man once said:.....
"It's not the journey ahead that wears you out, it's the grain of sand in your shoe"
In this case, prats on a plane.....

Pss: I did notice a couple of people returning from Portugal wearing full white Hazmat suits.
I have absolutely no sympathy for any of those prats that feel hard done by losing their holidays..
I'm investigating hazmat suits..
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Well....I felt pretty safe coming to Egypt aboard one of EgyptAir’s Dreamliners. Can’t beat it for comfort, WiFi if you want etc etc.

Oh....and an air filtration system that would not be out of place in a bio- hazard lab.

Not that my mask wearing fellow passengers were likely to be breathing out any nasties....all having passed a PCR test in recent days.

A far cry from the kiss-me-quick, semi-drunk Mancunians you tended to get on the Cheesyjet flight to Hurghada....which won’t be running for some time....for obvious reasons! In fact Egypt won’t be seeing any tourists from the UK so long as it remains “red”.


The 4 hours or so to Cairo was spent in an environment much safer than your local boozer or supermarket. :ct
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Can I assume that you have at least had both doses of the vaccine Newcastle. 🤔 ?


I'm certainly in no rush to get away this year for many obvious reasons.

I'm enjoying driving about the countryside in my newly restored classic Merc.. hopefully doing the Highland route 66 round Scotland next week. Which is why I responded immediately to the offer to get the second dose of the vaccine tomorrow, , As it was due next week and would have got in the way of my planned getaway to bonnie Scotland.. 😎
Me, the missus and the car, god's own land and as few people as possible.
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John Landon wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:44 pm Can I assume that you have at least had both doses of the vaccine Newcastle. 🤔 ?
Absolutely...some time ago! I wouldn’t set foot in Egypt otherwise.

The virus must be rampaging here. But I won’t be socialising....just swimming in the pool, soaking up the sun and doing some serious reading!
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Nice.... 😎 Keep safe. 👍
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I'm confused. (Nothing new there.)
The Lotus Hotel has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread and I don't recognise it by the comments made.
Isn't the Lotus Hotel the odd shaped hotel tucked between a couple of larger ones on the side of the Nile? I believe it was a Police Hotel, whatever that means, at one point.
I stayed there on my last visit to Luxor and it was certainly different to the way portrayed in the comments above. From that visit, I would be happy to stay there again. It may not be the most Luxurious of hotels, but it was clean, quiet, had friendly and efficient staff, an adequate breakfast, as good a Nile garden area as any of the others, was value for money.
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No Hepzibah, the Lotus on Khaled Ibn El Whaleed St, between the Sonesta and the Steigenburger is a different hotel.
The one referred to in these posts is at the end of the tourist souk area downtown Luxor and believe me you wouldn't mistake one for the other if you visited.
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Aaah...some confusion methinks.....on another thread.

I was referring to the Lotus Hotel on Khaled Ibn el Walid...and yes it is, or was, a police hotel.

It’s nicely situated and comfortable....although not five star.

I’ve stayed there many times....and would do so again...but it has one big problem.

It is open for day use by non- residents and very popular with local foreign ladies of a certain age with their Egyptian “husbands”. It’s popular because the management turn a blind eye to behaviour which would make my maiden aunt blush. Very odd in such a conservative city.

The scene around the pool reminded me of a David Attenborough prog....the one featuring elephant seals on a Patagonian beach. Amusing...and a bit sad.
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carrie wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:24 pm No Hepzibah, the Lotus on Khaled Ibn El Whaleed St, between the Sonesta and the Steigenburger is a different hotel.
The one referred to in these posts is at the end of the tourist souk area downtown Luxor and believe me you wouldn't mistake one for the other if you visited.
I'm relieved that the Lotus I know is not the same one that Carrie has mentioned.

The only hotels that instantly spring to mind at the end of the tourist souk area are the Emilio where I stayed on most of my visits to Luxor, and the Venus Hotel which I have never been in nor would I want to. I did once make the mistake of meeting friends for a drink at the Queen's hotel but it soon became clear to me that I would be best to beat a hasty retreat - sadly not before they tried to fleece me when I got stuck paying the bill.
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Yildez is very very good at putting any would be gigolo in his place, one day though she told me about this particularly persistent one she had met on the corniche. He did get the message.
We decided we would go to the pool for the day and arranged to meet at the Lotus on Khaled Ibn el Whaleed, I think I got there first and took a bed well away from the usual ex pats.
Yildez came later and joined me and on the next sun bed a woman arrived with her trophy in tow. A look round as if to say look what I've got, all touchy touchy quite sickening.
Suddenly a whisper from Yildez, "that's him, that's the guy from the corniche I told you about."
Oh dear lover boy had obviously been looking for fresh meat.
It was Friday and he suddenly announced that he had to go to pray, wouldn't be long. This is after he had been lay knocking back the Stella.
Well off he goes.
2 hours later after many many looks at her watch he returned, she wasn't a happy bunny having been neglected for so long.
Stella swigging commenced but he had brought a friend with him this time so she wasn't getting the attention she so obviously craved.
As Newcastle said amusing and most certainly very sad.
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I'm sorry Hepzibah the Lotus the only Lotus hotel is between the Sonesta and Steigenburger the other dirty sleezy one near the souk is the Venus.
Hepzibah is right again.
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carrie wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:17 pm I'm sorry Hepzibah the Lotus the only Lotus hotel is between the Sonesta and Steigenburger the other dirty sleezy one near the souk is the Venus.
Hepzibah is right again.
Phew! I shall sleep easy tonight now instead of overstretching my memory trying to work out where the mysterious, questionable, Lotus hotel was/is.

The reputation of the Venus hotel reached me long before I ever booked my first hotel stay in Luxor. I once made the mistake of standing outside this dubious establishment, not even realising that was where I was, whilst waiting for a friend who'd stopped to buy something at the takeaway opposite. Thankfully, an Egyptian couple I knew saw me and came and put me wise and suggest I moved elsewhere.
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I never found anything wrong with the Venus, the first time in Luxor my taxi driver
took me there, stayed one night and moved over to the Emilio.

Bed bugs and fleas but I used to return regularly to their roof bar, even taking them some new
pool cues and chalk. We never saw anything to make us think it was dodgy but always stayed in the Emilio
for the next 10 years... 8)

Ps: The Venus owner married a Japanese tourist and moved there, and the Lotus made excellent bread
sold in Arkwrights'. (the big Lotus)
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For a while, the Venus was the top recommended hotel on Trip Advisor! It's still a dump, though.
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