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New Dentist on the West Bank

Post by hatusu » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:37 am

I hav e always been perfectly happy wth the dentist in Cleopatra St but its a trek from the West Bank, so purely for convenience I thought I would try the new dentist almost on my doorstep in Gezira Village. Even more pleasantly surprised when I found out it was a lady. However not so pleased when she tried to charge me 500LE just for a filliing!



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Post by Glyphdoctor » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:46 am


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Post by Mad Dilys » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:06 am

Interesting Glyph, but do you have prices for Egypt? :roll:
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Post by Kevininabydos » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:08 am

And these UK prices have relevance for a Dentist on the West Bank Luxor because.......? Are you making an attempt at saying that 500Le is a reasonable amount to be charged for a filling, as a foreigner living here, as it is a lot cheaper than the price of private UK dentistry charges; ie: Large tooth filling-non-white £100 or small tooth filling-non-white £78?
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Post by Glyphdoctor » Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:25 am

Why would you think a dentist in Egypt isn't entitled to charge 500LE for a filling? If a private dentist charges more for the same service in the UK, why can't a private dentist in Egypt charge 500LE?

Perhaps the dentist in question only charges her wealthier (note, I did not say foreign) patients for her services, while offering them for free or greatly reduced prices for the vast majority of the population who would be forced to go without dental services at all if there was a fixed price for all. By charging one person 500LE for a filling the dentist may now be able to spend her time offering the same services to several others who are needy for free. For all we know, the "not recommended" dentist may be one who is more charitable than one who is recommended.

It is normal to pay for medical procedures here before they are performed. If one is concerned about the cost of said services, one certainly would inquire what the cost would be before the service was performed. If one does not ask, then can you blame the dentist for thinking that perhaps this is a patient for whom cost is not really an issue?

Also, one sometimes does pay more for a convenience. I recently needed to have a special diagnostic test done and it had to be done at a specific time, but one that I would not know until that time came. Some places offered the test at a certain price, but I would have had to make an appointment for a certain time in advance, but another doctor was willing to see me the same day if I called when the time came to take the test, but the price was significantly higher. Even though the test was not covered by our insurance at all, I went to the place that offered the convenience I needed and paid the extra fee.

Prices here can vary quite a bit from one doctor to the next and probably from one customer to the next, but as I said, you cannot assume that the doctor is simply greedy as you only know how much you paid.

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Post by Kevininabydos » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:34 pm

Thank you for the more informed response, though I have to disagree on a couple of points. Ex-pats do generally know how much things cost and they do communicate with each other, so your assumption that "you cannot assume that the doctor is simply greedy as you only know how much you paid" is that, an assumption. Also no matter how much you "pretty" it up with the presumption of "Perhaps the dentist in question only charges her wealthier (note, I did not say foreign) patients for her services, while offering them for free or greatly reduced prices for the vast majority of the population who would be forced to go without dental services at all if there was a fixed price for all" is purely fantasy on your part and does not cover up the fact that the dentist in question saw a European and upped the price, as testified by the cost of the treatment not being quoted to the patient before the treatment was administered as is the normal practice.
I hope your "special diagnostic" was favourable. ;)
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Post by Mad Dilys » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:40 pm

I agree with Kevin.

I have an excellent dentist in the UK and another in Luxor and I have to say that both seem to have a standard charge for treatment. I am charged the same as any other person by both.

The Egyptian dentist is undoubtedly skilled, but his training has not cost as much as my UK dentist for a start, but there are other considerataions.

The standard of hygene in the waiting rooms and well as the actual surgery bear no relation to each other. The cleaning staff required in the UK earn more than the dentist in Egypt because they simply could not live on Egyptian salaries.

Then there is the question of chair assistants. My Egyptian dentist had a qualified foreign lady for a while until gossip ended that experiment. He cannot find another, male, assistant who is Egyptian. So he has none.

Chair assistants and hygenists are necessary in the UK and paid accordingly.

Equipment is more sophisicated and reliable, techniques more up to date and varied in the UK and cost a great deal.

One of the biggest costs of setting up practice in the UK is the cost of the bricks and mortar. My Uk dentist uses one floor of a house which is probably worth at least £750,000 sterling. so he must have an investment of £375,000 without the cost of his equipment before he starts.

In Egypt I would value the premises of my dental surgery generously at 1,000 LE per month.

I do know the comparative costs as I have a family member who is in his final year of training in Egypt, so researched this matter.
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Post by jewel » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:29 pm

I have always been with Denplan - wouldn't want to go to any other dentists

http://www.denplan.co.uk/patients.aspx

I think a similar scheme should work well in Egypt - the better you look after your teeth the less you pay, the ultimate in preventive dentistry. It may encourage the locals to look after their teeth - brush & floss regularly, eat less sugar ,smoke less etc etc as I'm sure that no-one wants to pay over the odds for dental treatment.......why should everyone pay the same? when those that do look after their teeth need less treatments than those who neglect them.
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Post by Who2 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:32 pm

Be honest, Dentist's are on a par with estate agents and second hand car dealers slightly lower than Lawyers, especially and I repeat if their Australian it seems to be an Aussie thing, if you have ever bothered to notice...8)
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Post by Teddyboy » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:33 pm

I think you're confusing them with chiropractors, they all seem to be Aussies, and also charge like the Light Brigade!

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Post by Glyphdoctor » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:07 pm

Kevin-There is no law setting the price for medical treatment in this country. I have seen however differences in pricing between specialists in the same field that differ greatly, as much as the difference between this dentist and probably some others, and that is in connection with Egyptian patients. Don't assume because one doctor charges a certain fee, another will charge the same. They are providing a service, not tangible goods. Their skill, their experience, their qualifications, their rapport with patients, the demand, etc. can all come into play when determining their standard fees.

If you don't ask beforehand, it is a sign that money is not an issue to you. If the receptionist doesn't ask you for money or tells you the doctor will tell you the price and claims not to know it, then you should be wary before ever entering for treatment. But if you allow someone to perform an operation on you and then you don't like how much they ask you for afterward, then you only have yourself to blame. The original post said the doctor tried to charge 500LE, which implies that is not what was paid. To me this signals that the doctor was willing to negotiate the fee, which suggests she was reasonable and flexible. Without telling us how much the final fee was, we don't really know the whole story here.

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Post by Glyphdoctor » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:20 pm

Maybe the cost of living in Luxor seems cheaper to those of you who come from the UK, but coming from the US I can tell you many things cost at least as much or more there than they do in the US but you are getting a real bargain in your private medical care there whereas the dentists are certainly not able to enjoy the same standard of living they would in the US and dentistry is not a super-lucrative field in the US anyway.

But hey, it makes you feel better about your position if you judge it acceptable if an Egyptian is making a salary that allows him to live at the average standard of Egypt while never taking into consideration the possibility of raising that standard, especially if raising that standard would mean you might not be able to enjoy a better standard than you could in your home country because it would cost you as much as it does at home.

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Post by Kevininabydos » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:03 pm

There was never any suggestion that there was or is a set price for dentistry in Egypt as there is in the UK as you pointed out; but as you well know within a given area businesses charge the same price for the same goods and services and this goes for all businesses whether it be a lighting shop, greengrocer or dentist. Otherwise the one that charges more would go out of business pretty quickly. The rest of your comments in the 2 post have already been covered in this thread as has your continued belittling of the Luxor Ex-pats in other numerous threads.
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Post by BENNU » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:57 pm

Thank you, dear Hatusu for using the "Places not recommended" section to not recommend a local clinic, where one seems to be supposed to pay for the filling of other teeth than one's own. That is relevant for foreigners in Luxor!

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Post by Glyphdoctor » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:50 pm

Kevininabydos wrote:There was never any suggestion that there was or is a set price for dentistry in Egypt as there is in the UK as you pointed out; but as you well know within a given area businesses charge the same price for the same goods and services and this goes for all businesses whether it be a lighting shop, greengrocer or dentist. Otherwise the one that charges more would go out of business pretty quickly.
Not true of medical care. Not in Egypt and not even in the US. My husband paid about half of what I did to have a dentist clean his teeth as I paid for just the hygienist of another dentist to do the same thing without the dentist even looking at my teeth and the two dentists were only several blocks apart. And that was in Chicago!

I know of specialists here in Cairo whose rates may be 4 times that of a colleague and the one charging 4 times as much requires an appointment weeks in advance whereas you can walk into the cheaper doctor's clinic any time! You want the cheapest medical care, that's fine.

But for me, competency is by far the most important criteria when choosing a doctor. And I would have to say that many people on the West Bank in Luxor feel the same. Sure they can get cheap care in Luxor, but so so many of them will not hesitate to take the time and bear the expense of traveling to Cairo or Asyut and spending more to see a doctor here because they feel that they will get better care here, even though they are can ill afford it. Whether they get better care outside of Luxor is true or not could be debated but the fact of the matter is that when your health or life is on the line, most people are willing to spend whatever it takes to preserve it.

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