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Re: Coronavirus

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I am a little surprised that we have no reason why or how this virus started, anyone who visits either Shangai or Beijing will really only visit the modern or classic sites of these great cities, a few visit Xian but again to visit classic ancient sites, but no one ever really visits the ordinary street markets, and I do mean live animals of various description, that are slaughtered on site. Remember Chinese people like their food fresh.

Having visited China a number of times now, I know Wuhan reasonably well, once you really move into the interior of China you easily come across poverty, yes most main cities have excellent airports and rail stations, but the mental attitude of the average poor Chinese people is that they will only buy food that is alive in the now almost 'back-street' markets, being that they do not trust the average modern day supermarkets. I am sure some will say this is so in many parts of the world,.........but, in the likes of Wuhan, duck, chicken, fish and other such animals are slaughtered on the spot with the same knife and block,.......hygiene is a joke.

Up until around 2005 tourist were very carefully kept in check, you could only buy from the official government shops, at what was a very high price, you were not allowed to go off the beaten track. In preparation for their Olympics suddenly everything became possible, and that is when the real problem started, and today the government of China will feel the cost to its economy for its failings.
I find it interesting that so few people realise how this virus came about, you do not have to be a Dr John Snow of 1850's London to know where the problem originated, it is as I wrote on this subject in early February,.......the back street markets of Wuhan, China.

I have spent the biggest part of my life travelling throughout the world, often using Egypt as my base, simply because to travel anywhere else in the world is much cheaper than travelling from the so called European cartel, this has always been so. I have travelled many times in China, and although Wuhan in central China would want you to believe it is very modern, which this is so, but most people's attitude there still have the old world idea of not trusting modern day slaughter methods of animals, even far more primitive than certain markets of Singapore,.....and that is saying something.

I walked along one of these such animal markets, you basically mention the name of an animal, domesticated or otherwise, these were being slaughtered on the very same slab as other, even fish. I was physically sick and left there quickly, but will never forget. It seems to me that it should be China who will come up with the cure, being that they have the full details as to how this virus mutated. God help us if the Americans discover this first, such as Johnson & Johnson or Pfizer who will offer this for the first year to only the very rich.

Having travelled so much in my life, I very often stay in places longer than the average tourist, so I see the REAL life. I think my greatest shock of human life was when I stayed in San Fancisco, the haves and the have-nots. You only realise this after more than a three day stay there.



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There are certain areas of the so called modern China that the locals are giving the town chairmen, those that control the townsfolk day to day lives, constant headaches, refusing to bow down to these controllers. They are demanding better control of their lives, demanding the return of long lost family lands ect. The government is demanding that these area of dissent are brought back under local control, but are losing the fight. China has always come up with creative methods of population control, I believe that this virus to be one of them, but unfortunately one that got out of control. Its interesting to see that no form of information has yet come out of North Korea as yet. This is, I think, the most dangerous area to consider high rate infection within the population. IMHO that is.
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Re: Coronavirus

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Dusak wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:52 am
Its interesting to see that no form of information has yet come out of North Korea as yet. This is, I think, the most dangerous area to consider high rate infection within the population. IMHO that is.
Very little information has ever come out of North Korea.

Fortunately, very few people ever come out either so , even if the virus is rampaging through the population, it’s unlikely to impact on the rest of us. 8)

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Re: Coronavirus

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A-Four wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:29 pm
I am a little surprised that we have no reason why or how this virus started, anyone who visits either Shangai or Beijing will really only visit the modern or classic sites of these great cities, a few visit Xian but again to visit classic ancient sites, but no one ever really visits the ordinary street markets, and I do mean live animals of various description, that are slaughtered on site. Remember Chinese people like their food fresh.

Having visited China a number of times now, I know Wuhan reasonably well, once you really move into the interior of China you easily come across poverty, yes most main cities have excellent airports and rail stations, but the mental attitude of the average poor Chinese people is that they will only buy food that is alive in the now almost 'back-street' markets, being that they do not trust the average modern day supermarkets. I am sure some will say this is so in many parts of the world,.........but, in the likes of Wuhan, duck, chicken, fish and other such animals are slaughtered on the spot with the same knife and block,.......hygiene is a joke.

Up until around 2005 tourist were very carefully kept in check, you could only buy from the official government shops, at what was a very high price, you were not allowed to go off the beaten track. In preparation for their Olympics suddenly everything became possible, and that is when the real problem started, and today the government of China will feel the cost to its economy for its failings.
Don't find much time at the moment to write on here during the week but, some interesting 'news' has just come out via CNN and Reuters, for those who are interested, check out,.....wet markets Wuhan CNN.

I find it interesting that it's taken over a month to discover this. Could it be the true reason why Mr Trump has stopped funding the W.H.O. because it will not name and shame China ?

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The responsibility of Chinese wet markets for engendering the transmission of nasty animal viruses to humans has been suspected- and commented on- for years.

Even the ageing crooner Paul McCartney has taken to the airwaves to decry China’s decision to re-open them.

Why WHO should endorse the Chinese decision is beyond comprehension and has handed Trump a convenient stick with which to beat them .....and, simultaneously, airbrush out of history his praising of China’s past actions, his description of the pandemic as “a hoax”, etc. etc.

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I've just watched a very interesting documentary by a renowned undercover reporter from America. The Chinese attempted to put the blame on the fish market that also sells various meats, but, they do not handle bats, blamed for causing this virus. Trump is peed off with WHO because it was party to the Chines authorities wanting to cover up the extent of the outbreak. A Chines scientist actually released a paper years before this virus saying she had successfully attached a gene from the HIV virus to the SARS virus, enabling it to attach itself to humans. A young intern working at this lab became contaminated by this new virus and took it outside. This lab, P4, was financed by the French until they suddenly pulled out when it was discovered that the Chinese military intended to do biological weapons research there. The Chinese military finally completed the project, they now run the place.
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Yeah and also funded by the Yanks.
I hear things are pretty grim in Karnak Dusak, 5 deaths? You keep yourself safe.

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I am currently listening to the Enigma Variations, uplifting.

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Re: Coronavirus

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Dusak wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:57 am
I've just watched a very interesting documentary by a renowned undercover reporter from America. The Chinese attempted to put the blame on the fish market that also sells various meats, but, they do not handle bats, blamed for causing this virus. Trump is peed off with WHO because it was party to the Chines authorities wanting to cover up the extent of the outbreak. A Chines scientist actually released a paper years before this virus saying she had successfully attached a gene from the HIV virus to the SARS virus, enabling it to attach itself to humans. A young intern working at this lab became contaminated by this new virus and took it outside. This lab, P4, was financed by the French until they suddenly pulled out when it was discovered that the Chinese military intended to do biological weapons research there. The Chinese military finally completed the project, they now run the place.

This particular story has been rubbished by leading scientists.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02 ... oronavirus

Well - I hear you say- they would, wouldn’t they. Despite this Feb article, the story continues to run in the tabloids, chat shows etc. Trump - au naturel - has leapt on it as a rod with which to beat China, WHO, science generally etc. Anything that supports his stroppy adolescent view of the world.

Conspiracy theories, evil germs escaping from secret labs, demonic scientists bent on creating the ultimate biological weapon etc. go hand in hand with any epidemic. We saw it with AIDS, SARS and now with COVID-19. Many of the stories can be traced back to the Kremlin’s various disinformation programmes.

Is there any truth in them?

Who knows? Certainly not me.....although I have a natural distrust of alarmist stories backed up with little or no evidence.

What I can say it that, if there’s any truth in them, we’re well and truly f*cked.

So I’ll continue to ignore them...thank you very much! 8)

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carrie wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:01 am
Yeah and also funded by the Yanks.
I hear things are pretty grim in Karnak Dusak, 5 deaths? You keep yourself safe.
I heard about the lawyer that died due to the virus, the family being quarantined, but not the other four. I'm still well and truly locked up within my home, a fact, no doubt, many would say should of happened years ago. :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus

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Dusak wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:06 pm
carrie wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:01 am
Yeah and also funded by the Yanks.
I hear things are pretty grim in Karnak Dusak, 5 deaths? You keep yourself safe.
I heard about the lawyer that died due to the virus, the family being quarantined, but not the other four. I'm still well and truly locked up within my home, a fact, no doubt, many would say should of happened years ago. :lol:
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