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Trouble

Post by carrie » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:01 am

Just had a phone call from my landlord saying not to go over the other side today because of all the trouble. Anyone know what's going on?



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Re: Trouble

Post by Angela » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:31 am

I woke up to gunfire around 5am this morning. When my husband took the children to school there it was a mess all the way through Awamia to KFC. There was broken glass everywhere, tear gas being fired and people and police milling about. I've heard that a man was arrested and then arrived dead at the Hospital a couple of hours later and therefore this was a dispute between the family and police. I think there is something about it on the luxor portal, I will look.

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Re: Trouble

Post by HEPZIBAH » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:34 am

I can't transfer it on my phone but I've just read a translated report from LuxorLive News which refers to an incident in Awamaya area. Something to do with a man at a coffee shop being arrested early this morning and then dying in police custody. Family in fury outside the police station and teargas was used.
(Sorry, not easy to give the real full account because the translation was as usual a bit muddly.)
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Re: Trouble

Post by carrie » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:00 pm

Well the jungle drums are beating loud and fast.
According to reports, a young man (caleche driver) was shot dead by police last night in Awamia, more trouble is expected this evening.
A friend who has walked from the passport office into town this morning said all seemed to be quiet at the moment.

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Re: Trouble

Post by HEPZIBAH » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:15 pm

Here is a more recent report from Luxor News Live

Luxor News Live
41 mins ·
قال هاني عبده، صباح اليوم الأربعاء، إن أحد أفراد عائلة متهم الأقصر المعروف باسم "طلعت شبيب" والذي لفظ أنفاسه الأخيرة داخل قسم شرطة بالمحافظة، إن ابن عائلته تعرض للتعذيب حتى الموت من جانب أحد الضباط، والدليل على ذلك وجود آثار للضرب على رأس المتوفي، بواسطة استخدام الجزء الخلفي من سلاح آلي، بالإضافة إلى تعرضه للصعق بالكهرباء بمنطقة البطن.
وأشارإلى أن عائلة المجني عليه في انتظار صدور تقرير الطبيب الشرعي للكشف عن ملابسات حالة الوفاة، والتأكد من تعرض المتهم للتعذيب، مؤكدا أن أسرة ا...
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Hani Al-said, the morning of Wednesday, if a member of the family of the accused of the palace, known as "Talat Shbyb" and who died last inside the police station in the province, the son of his family had been subjected to torture To death by an officer, as evidenced by the existence of the effects of beaten on the head of the deceased, by using the back of automatic weapons, in addition to his with electricity with abdominal region.
He noted that the victim's family in anticipation of the forensic report to clarify the circumstances of the case of death, and making sure that the accused was subjected to torture, emphasizing that the family of the accused got videos reveal their son was subjected to torture at the hands of the officers The section, it is for this reason that the family of the deceased to attack men #police.
The strength of the police station #shorter arrested " I. P ", "47 years of age", While it is snack bar area l‘wạmyh yesterday evening Tuesday, and taken to the police station was struck his family has to be transferred to a hospital, shorter international's lifeless body according to a report by the #hospital.
Mbạshr MN l ٔ qşr
http://luxornewslive.com/N6201
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(Palace and shorter always seem to be the translations for Luxor!)
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Re: Trouble

Post by steigen » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:57 pm

Carrie....Been out today and didnt witness problems in Luxor centre or karnak...A dispute/protest regarding the above mentioned post...Home safe and sound..x

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Re: Trouble

Post by Brian Yare » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:04 pm

I would have been going to use a bank near KFC this morning, but fortunately the new(ish) ATM on the WB was working last night (for amounts up to LE2000).

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Re: Trouble

Post by Glyphdoctor » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:08 pm

Where is the new ATM?

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Re: Trouble

Post by Brian Yare » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:20 pm

Glyphdoctor wrote:Where is the new ATM?
On the road from the main checkpoint towards Memnon, on the right hand side, just before a very scruffy old one that I believe is for locals only. It is run by Misr Bank. Yesterday morning it was very busy, and I was crowded in by a lot of Egyptian men so I aborted my transaction. In the evening I was able to use it without unwanted company. Like many machines in Luxor it seems to have a limit of LE2000. It paid out all in LE200 notes which is not very convenient.

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Re: Trouble

Post by HEPZIBAH » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:52 pm

Just spotted this news article which is written in English. All sounds a very nasty business.

Citizens clash with police over detainee torture in Luxor
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Wed, 25/11/2015 - 16:21


Al-Masry Al-Youm
Violence erupted between police forces and citizens in Luxor’s Awamiya neighborhood on Wednesday, as the locals protested the alleged deadly torture of a man in police custody.

The civilians were blocking a main road in the area and chanting anti-police slogans, when the police used tear gas and warning shots to disperse them.

People believe Taha Shabib, 47, was beaten to death hours after his arrest from a local coffee shop. The reason for his arrest is still unknown. His family learned he was already dead when he was transferred to Luxor’s International Hospital escorted by police officers.

An eyewitness said Shabib was in a good health at the moment of his arrest.

Essam al-Hemali, Luxor’s security chief, denied the torture allegations, arguing that the detainee suffered “severe sickness” that caused his death on his way to hospital.

Rights advocates have decried a surge in enforced disappearances and prison torture over the past year. In June, a report by the National Council for Human Rights blamed authorities for mounting prison deaths both due to torture and poor incarceration conditions.


Edited translation from Al-Masry Al-Youm
http://www.egyptindependent.com//news/c ... ture-luxor
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Re: Trouble

Post by newcastle » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:05 pm

I'm sure an autopsy carried out by independent qualified doctors will verify this unfortunate "severe sickness " was nothing to do with the man' s detention.
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Re: Trouble

Post by Glyphdoctor » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:06 pm

Where are our members in Awamiyya to give us some firsthand observations on all this?

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Re: Trouble

Post by carrie » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:07 pm

Thanks for that Hepzibah.

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Re: Trouble

Post by Brian Yare » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:36 pm

Glyphdoctor wrote:Where are our members in Awamiyya to give us some firsthand observations on all this?
Staying inside their hotels (Sheraton, etc.) if they have any sense. I can hear occasional gunfire from the WB at the moment. :-(

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Re: Trouble

Post by carrie » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:39 pm

Well I have just got in from the Ramla Brian and I have heard nothing, a little demo earlier on the East apparently a delegation were on their way to see the Governor. Lets just hope there are no further injuries.

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Re: Trouble

Post by Scottishtourist » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:10 pm

"Cairo Post"today reports that this incident has resulted in further riots and protests in Luxor.
Is this true?

Or is this the "demo"to which Carrie is referring to?
Any updates?

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Re: Trouble

Post by HEPZIBAH » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:38 pm

I don't know about riots today but there were protests.


خرج المئات من شباب منطقة العوامية بالأقصر ، وانضم لهم ، المئات من اهالى الأقصر ، فى مسيرة سلمية، خرجت بعد صلاة الجمعة، وطافت شوارع خالد بن الولليد والتليفزيون والمحطة والمنشية وميدانى صلاح الدين وابوالحجاج.
صارت المسيرة بشكل سلمى وحضارى ، دون أى خروج على القانون ، وطالب المشاركون فى المسيرة، بمحاكمة عاجلة للمتورطين فى وفاة ط طلعت شبيب الرشيدى، ضحية التعذيب بقسم شرطة الأقصر، والحرية والعدالة، وتطبيق القانون على الجميع بمن فيهم بعض رجال الشرطة الذين يخالفون مبادىء حقوق الإنسان.

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Hundreds of youth Awwamiyya area in Luxor, joined them, hundreds of people of Luxor, in a peaceful march, came out after Friday prayers, and walked around the streets of Khalid bin Alollid and television station and Manshiya and a field Salahuddin and Aboualhaggag.
March has become a peaceful and civilized, with no exit the law, the participants in the march and demanded urgent trial for those involved in the death of Talaat Shabib i Rashidi, a victim of torture Luxor Police Department, and freedom and justice, and the application of the law to everyone, including some police officers who violate the principles of human rights.

http://luxornewslive.com/N6240
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Re: Trouble

Post by BENNU » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:59 am

We were South of Esna, when we were warned that people from Awameiya were expressing their anger all the way to Abu Hagag, so we were prepared to cross the bridge and let the Eastbankers among us sail home this time. Around 7 PM, we passed through a quiet Awameia to an almost empty Corniche.

I was told that more than a thousand people had turned up at the funural. Many agree that the protest was a healthy reaction.

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Re: Trouble

Post by BENNU » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:05 am

http://en.aswatmasriya.com/news/view.as ... 3f4b45894e

Luxor man died in custody two hours after arrest, four police officers questioned
Thursday, November 26, 2015 3:45 PM

Luxor Security Directorate. (courtesy of Al-Shorouk news website)

LUXOR, Nov. 26 (Aswat Masriya) - Four police officers are currently being questioned in relation to the case of Talaat Shabib, who allegedly died of torture in a Luxor police station just two hours after his arrest on Tuesday night.

Shabib was arrested Tuesday at a cafe at 11 pm in the district of al-Amawya on suspicion of possessing Tramadol, a pain killer used ubiquitously as a recreational drug in Egypt.

Sources in Luxor told Aswat Masriya that his family received information two hours later (1 am on Wednesday) that Shabib died on his way to Luxor International Hospital, triggering protests in front of the police station against what they believe was the killing and torture of Shabib by police.

Security forces dispersed the protest using tear gas and arrested 24 people, who were released Thursday morning, state run MENA news agency reported.

Luxor's prosecurtor Ahmed Abdel Rahman said Thursday that an extensive investigation is underway and that the prosecution is not biased, noting that the "forensics report will prove whether or not the citizen was subjected to torture before his death."

He added that in case allegations of torture are confirmed, those responsible will be held accountable for their actions.

According to news reports quoting Social Solidarity Minister Ghada Wali last September, Tramadol is ranked first among illicit drugs abused in Egypt, taken by 40.7 percent of drug abusers.

While the government has restricted the drug's sale, enforcing prison sentences on pharmacists caught dealing illicitly in the prescription drug, enforcement is poor. The little pill is still easy to get, despite the price hike.

In 2012, the Health Ministry added Tramadol to a list of abused substances banned under Egypt's anti-drug law. The decision was endorsed by a State Council ruling in November 2013, according to a report published by state-run Al-Ahram newspaper.

Police brutality was one of the triggers of the Jan. 25, 2011 uprising, sparked by protests on Police Day in Egypt aimed to draw attention to the police's use of excessive, at times fatal, force.

http://en.aswatmasriya.com/news/view.as ... 379b388246

LUXOR, Nov. 26 (Aswat Masriya) - Luxor's prosecution released Thursday 24 people arrested on charges of illegal assembly in front of Luxor police station, where they were protesting the alleged torture and killing of their relative by police, state run MENA news agency reported.

Luxor police had arrested a 47-year-old man in the district of al-Amawya Tuesday night. A day later his family later received information that his dead body was transferred to Luxor International Hospital.

When a group of them gathered in front of the police station to protest his death, security forces dispersed the protest using tear gas and arrested 24 people.

Aswat Masriya contacted the interior ministry press office for more details on the circumstances of his arrest and death, but was told that no details were available.

Luxor's Prosecutor General Ahmed Abdel Rahman said that prosecution is not biased to any side, noting that the forensics report will prove whether or not the citizen was subjected to torture before his death.

In case allegations of torture are confirmed, those responsible will be held accountable for their actions, he added.

Abdel Rahman said that an extensive investigation is underway, and that an autopsy will be conducted before the body is buried.

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Re: Trouble

Post by Brian Yare » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:57 pm

Hard to tell for certain from my hotel, but I hear what is probably gunfire (rather than fireworks) from the SW end of Luxor at the moment. Those closer may be able to offer a better opinion. :-(

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