Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:13 pm

Dusak wrote:At the end of the day it is up to the individual what action they will take if the bubble ever bursts. My thoughts on the matter is that the faith I have in the security personnel in protecting this country
But they are THE TARGETS! I was stuck behind two idiot 12 year old boys today in the street who were deep in some heated debate and were walking at the pace of snails as I was passing by a large contingency of police vehicles, officers, etc. I wanted to just get by there as fast as possible but my choice was to keep behind the kids, make a rather tight detour between a tow truck and two police motorcycles, or get run over by the oncoming traffic. I don't care how good they may be at protecting US, their presence everywhere and the fact that they are targets, actually puts us all at risk as collateral damage.

I know all expats feel the needs to praise the police constantly to keep their visas, but use your minds for once and realize that the presence of police near you is probably the largest risk to your safety right now, not because they aren't doing their best to protect you, but because if a terrorist has a choice between a civilian and a policeman who happens to have a civilian nearby, it will always be the latter that is targeted.



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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Who2 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:57 pm

Spoken like a true Cairean, 'keep ducking those bombs your more likely to die of smog inhalation and we all know it, unless of course a taxi gets you first, It's tough being a Cairean…. :cool:
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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Remus » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:14 pm

'I know all expats feel the needs to praise the police constantly to keep their visas'
states Glyphdoctor.

I do wish she would stop making these broad generalisations about
ex-pats, whom she so often gives every appearance of despising. There have
been several similar comments in recent posts, but it's pointless to make a
counter-argument because she is so convinced of her own opinion.

I, for one, do not have this belief: mine is far more nuanced - ergo hers is at least
partially wrong.

With how many ex-pats is she in day-to-day, face-to-face, conversational contact, I wonder?

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by newcastle » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:59 pm

Interesting article on possible escalation of attacks on civilians :

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/121865.aspx

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by A-Four » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:19 pm

Well, I for one welcome Glyph's very wise comments here, and although I am these days only a tourists in Egypt, I need to be kept upto date with things that should make you street wise.

Let me give you a couple of examples of living in London and how different it is from the other towns and cities in Britain. When any vehicle approaches a T-junction, polite manners by the driver allows any pedestrian to cross the road, not so in London. Just because a red light instructs a driver to stop, more often than not here in the East End in the evening many drivers take drugs, their response time is almost nil.

Every time I get on a bus or train here in London, I am aware of my surrounding, I subconsciously check that there are no items left by some one,..........we in London, call this being street wise.

I do fear, and I hope I am wrong, that a terrorist attack could quite easily occur in Luxor, and ex-pats, for you are tourists, whether you accept it or not, produce far more international news content of your deaths, than that of any local, and perhaps even less for the security officials, therefore, it is YOU that is the prime target.

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:50 am

newcastle wrote:Interesting article on possible escalation of attacks on civilians :

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/121865.aspx
I take one thing seriously-bombs that cause fatalities or injuries. Not ones that are found and defused, not ones that turn out to be fake, not rumored bombs, not ones that are just sound bombs. The latter may scare people, but the former kill and maim. Keep that in mind and if you have been paying attention to all the incidents that have occurred, you may see things in a different light than this article, at least to date. Things may change going forward.

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:59 am

Let's say that come February 11, the threats against foreigners in Egypt are carried out. Then just like the police, foreigners in Luxor become targets and as a result, pose a threat of collateral damage to the Egyptians around them.

There's a very good reason in the 1990s I used to refuse to go in the convoys or ride the tourist train and once even chose to not visit a popular tourist destination and instead went to some obscure site so that I could ditch the police escort that had been forced on me. Put together a bunch of police and tourists and you have a target with a big red bullseye on it. The old-timers will understand me exactly.

Police may be the ultimate target, but A4 is right, especially with everything going on in the world, one has to up the ante these days to make the international news headlines.

Not a single November 17 goes by without me remembering what happened that day.
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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:03 am

Remus wrote:'I know all expats feel the needs to praise the police constantly to keep their visas'
states Glyphdoctor.

I do wish she would stop making these broad generalisations about
ex-pats, whom she so often gives every appearance of despising. There have
been several similar comments in recent posts, but it's pointless to make a
counter-argument because she is so convinced of her own opinion.

I, for one, do not have this belief: mine is far more nuanced - ergo hers is at least
partially wrong.

With how many ex-pats is she in day-to-day, face-to-face, conversational contact, I wonder?
I'll just say this. There are things that people have said to me privately that they don't say publicly and that sometimes contradict their public persona. Let's be real-everyone has seen what happened to Wiz, Kevin and Connie and knows they could just as easily have the same fate. That's not me despising people. That's the fact of life living on a tourist visa that can be yanked away without any specific reason at any time. Ever heard the Egyptian phrase, "walk next to the wall"?

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Ruby Slippers » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:50 am

The bottom line is the mess that is left behind for others to clear up if the threats are carried out. For you, probably you will be dead - or maimed - so not personally involved, but do you really have the right to inflict on your families, friends and respective governments, the grief and repercussions that these acts inevitably bring? Just because YOU are happy in your own little world?

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by HEPZIBAH » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:13 am

I think everyone should have at least some basic plan B, if not more plans, whatever their situation or where they are. I think it also important that people share their wishes and thoughts with their loved ones - family and/ or close friends - too. I guess it could be likened to a living will. It just makes things so much easier for those who want to help or are put into an awkward position of trying to help at difficult times (and I do not necessarily mean death here). That almost sounds a bit melodramatic, but I think it applies to life in general, and even more so in times of, shall we say, unusual circumstances. It's also a good idea to link up key people from your life that may need to communicate with each other over concerns, but that do not actually know each other exists. E.g - your legal next of kin may not know, or be known by, the possibly more important people in your life or those in your close circle.
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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by carrie » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:41 pm

Some time ago I contacted the Embassy ansd asked if I could lodge a will with them, No. But they advised me to write a letter to my next of kin telling them in event of my death here what I would want. The Embassy are aware that I have done that, they have the address and phone no. of my next of kin and also my close friends here have the same.
Plan B if I HAD to leave Egypt sell my home in the UK and buy another nearer my daughters home.

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Who2 » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:00 pm

Glyphdoctor wrote:
Remus wrote:'I know all expats feel the needs to praise the police constantly to keep their visas'
states Glyphdoctor.

I do wish she would stop making these broad generalisations about
ex-pats, whom she so often gives every appearance of despising. There have
been several similar comments in recent posts, but it's pointless to make a
counter-argument because she is so convinced of her own opinion.

I, for one, do not have this belief: mine is far more nuanced - ergo hers is at least
partially wrong.

With how many ex-pats is she in day-to-day, face-to-face, conversational contact, I wonder?
I'll just say this. There are things that people have said to me privately that they don't say publicly and that sometimes contradict their public persona. Let's be real-everyone has seen what happened to Wiz, Kevin and Connie and knows they could just as easily have the same fate. That's not me despising people. That's the fact of life living on a tourist visa that can be yanked away without any specific reason at any time. Ever heard the Egyptian phrase, "walk next to the wall"?
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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Luxor Pharoahs » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:05 pm

I don't know about a plan B, but you may wish to consider a plan C also, if things get really bad. If everyone does leave it will be another blow to the economy of Luxor. But its not just Luxor you have to consider the people that live on the Red Sea Resorts as well, the threat was to "Tourist Areas"

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Who2 » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:25 pm

Were'e taking to the mattresses now, are we ? like as in The Godfather.
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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:27 pm

Ruby Slippers wrote:The bottom line is the mess that is left behind for others to clear up if the threats are carried out. For you, probably you will be dead - or maimed - so not personally involved, but do you really have the right to inflict on your families, friends and respective governments, the grief and repercussions that these acts inevitably bring? Just because YOU are happy in your own little world?
Not because of this thread, but because of something else, I was having the same thoughts this morning and I couldn't agree with you more. Would you want to forever after be the brother/mother/spouse of the hostage burned alive in the cage and Fox News broadcast it in its entirety? Would you want them to make a hopeless begging act on video, to be pressured left and right by various governments involved? Because that is what the survivors have to look forward to? Die in a car accident, die of cancer, but dying as a political tool/event and you will leave a huge burden on your family forever.

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by A-Four » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:00 pm

Glyphdoctor wrote:
Ruby Slippers wrote:The bottom line is the mess that is left behind for others to clear up if the threats are carried out. For you, probably you will be dead - or maimed - so not personally involved, but do you really have the right to inflict on your families, friends and respective governments, the grief and repercussions that these acts inevitably bring? Just because YOU are happy in your own little world?
Not because of this thread, but because of something else, I was having the same thoughts this morning and I couldn't agree with you more. Would you want to forever after be the brother/mother/spouse of the hostage burned alive in the cage and Fox News broadcast it in its entirety? Would you want them to make a hopeless begging act on video, to be pressured left and right by various governments involved? Because that is what the survivors have to look forward to? Die in a car accident, die of cancer, but dying as a political tool/event and you will leave a huge burden on your family forever.

This is the first time on this site, that I could not accept Glyph's written work as being true and had to seek for myself that yes she is correct. Fox News DID broadcast the full 22 minutes horror, and is still available to watch on their website, for any sicko out there.

Shame on Fox News.

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:12 pm

I stumbled on the video on an Egyptian newspaper site thinking I was just going to be reading a news story, but what I saw was only about 3-4 minutes. There was more, but by that time the act of killing was finished and I just stopped the video, but I don't think it was 22 minutes in total. But then later I read that Fox had broadcast it. Not sure what the 22 minutes consisted of, nor do I want to know.

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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Dusak » Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:05 pm

By security forces I meant the Armed forces, and those undercover intelligence operatives that even you GD do not know of and where they operate, not the police. Also it may come as a surprise to you that I'm not into men in uniform's so would not be walking along the streets with any arm in arm so no double whammy for them.

What every one else decides to do or think they would do if needed, that is up to them. I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land thinking all is a bed of roses. Some people are worriers by nature, others have continuous panic attacks just thinking what to have for dinner. A lot are of a nervous disposition while others jump seeing their own shadows. I am none of those.

There is a collection that would like to see nothing better than all the resident expats here to loose everything they have over here and be sent packing with their tail between their legs. Only history will dictate who was right in this matter, and at the end of the day it is no one else's business but mine what I choose to think, so go and plan your b, c, and d's.

And do not forget that I'm one of the wardens that will be ushering you all on to the buses, I could quite easily send you towards the front lines instead of the front gates of the airport as you would not see with the blackout curtains drawn. :lol:

I also think that its one of the most pathetically used one liners to say that some only speak what the powers that be want to hear to protect our TOURIST VISA'S Get a life and don't be such a get for life.
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Re: Wardens update - threats against foreigners in Egypt

Post by Glyphdoctor » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:47 am

Dusak wrote:By security forces I meant the Armed forces, and those undercover intelligence operatives that even you GD do not know of and where they operate, not the police.
Hmmm, so do you know where they operate? How can you have faith in something you aren't supposed to know about?

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Post by Luxor Pharoahs » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:59 am

He may be passing on information GD collected from this Site! :lol: In all honesty people do have to rely on security no matter country they live in. I see on today's news that King Abdullah has decided enough is enough and has increased Jordans manpower and artillery against terrorism. Good for him, the West is too busy thinking of will i be the next Priminister after the coming election, or I need to leave a good legacy when I leave the Whitehouse, they are thinking of themselves and not the people who are s uffering under the acts of terrorism. My thoughts are this group of people can be laid to rest within 3 months if really required but greedy politicians thinking of themselves are preventing it.. Take up the pincer position from North, South East and West and gradually move in until you meet in the middle.

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