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Luxor atop of Egyptian touristic cities
By: Mona Ahmed Wed, Oct. 11, 2017


CAIRO - 11 October 2017: Luxor governorate plans to attract more tourists this winter season and to rank the first Egyptian touristic city.

In full swing, Luxor governorate continues its intensive preparations for the new 2017/2018 winter season, which is expected to be the best among the seasons following the 25th of January revolution. Over the past weeks, Luxor started paving all the roads and routes to welcome and receive tourists, equipping the temples with all services and supporting visitors with special needs.

Mohamed Othman, member of the Tourism Marketing Committee in Luxor, said that the early winter season this October witnesses a fruitful promising beginning. It commenced with a sizable turnout and attendance of visitors to various temples and tombs on the West and East Banks. Othman deemed October as a good harbinger for a better season than there has been since 2010.

According to Othman, there are several factors that need to be taken into account to ensure a very strong season. First of all, there must be intensive flights to open the Asian markets, which have largely substituted and covered the weakness of the European market.

"Egypt Airlines has successfully resolved the issue of the direct Japanese flights to Osaka, but up to date, it is unable to substitute Qatari Airlines and fly five flights a week from Asia, which is heavily concentrated in the Indian and Chinese markets. Most of these markets fond of cultural tourism still find it difficult to reach Egypt after the Qatari flights stopped,” Othman revealed to Youm7 newspaper.

Othman added that French flights are approved to resume by this October, which will guarantee large flocks of tourists flowing to Luxor. He demanded a quick return of Cairo-Luxor Nile cruises, as well as furnishing the main ports, which attract the French tourists.

http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/9/270 ... tic-cities

Even if the anticipated "large flocks" of tourists don't materialise, at least the roads are being resurfaced :)



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There is unlikely to be any upturn in UK tourists returning if the latest figures are anything to go by which shows that more people are holidaying at home and UK tourism itself had exceeded 40 million visitors this year.
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While Egyptair continue to charge such high prices for its direct flights to Luxor, many from the UK will look elsewhere. Even when they advertise offers the prices are still no different in reality.

There are alternative routes, but you have to spend a lot of time searching, and also be prepared to make one or more flight changes en route, that they may not be cost effective to the user.
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I thought that something must be afoot, drove past the Avenue of the Sphinx on Sunday on the way to the church, tonnes of soil and stone had been dumped onto the next section with what looked around two hundred workers working like ants. So, going off past events, should be completed around 2020. :urm:
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The biggest problem is half finished or badly maintained projects once they are enacted. All the wonderful fountains gone or neglected, a lovely green park ripped up and replaced by sun blinding granite spaces, slabs and cladding falling off within weeks, a huge trench dug through the heart of Luxor and then just left to become a giant litter bin. We all appreciate that Egypt just does not have the money to spend (well not in Upper Egypt at any rate) but surely each project should be properly budgeted, funds allocated then professionally overseen until completion and a proper maintenance program implemented, less but better managed projects would have more value to Luxor than half cocked grandiose plans that never get completed.
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The only people that will come to Luxor are travellers interested in Ancient Egypt.
Iv'e told you lot before, no-one listens, no-one sees what's in-front of their faces.
Even when it's the bleeding obvious, that's why I really can't be arsed anymore....8)
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Who2 wrote:The only people that will come to Luxor are travellers interested in Ancient Egypt.
Iv'e told you lot before, no-one listens, no-one sees what's in-front of their faces.
Even when it's the bleeding obvious, that's why I really can't be arsed anymore....8)
It's not 'you' as in 'us' lot that need telling. I am sure regulars to this forum, and to Luxor, are only too well aware of what is obvious. It is the Egyptian powers that be that need to see 'what's in-front of their faces' and understand it, instead of living in some twilight zone.

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Exactly Hepzi, it is the Egyptian authority who need to listen, WE know what the problems are and don’t need someone to keep telling us “they can’t be arsed to keep telling us” but for some reason they continue to do so. 8)
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There was a bloke that used to post on here quite regularly about this very subject matter. If he reads this perhaps he could put a clearer picture on whats going wrong with Luxor. :a60: :a60:
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Dusak wrote:There was a bloke that used to post on here quite regularly about this very subject matter. If he reads this perhaps he could put a clearer picture on whats going wrong with Luxor. :a60: :a60:
What do you mean......"used to" ? :urm:

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It's an Effing Tip, stinks and needs a bleeding good clean. Also its full of t----rs and liars trying to scam money from tourists. Maybe trading with N. Korea may end up being a good thing!! Is that a good enough reason? or again I suppose those that live there know that already..... :lol: :lol:
Personally I would not step foot in the place again.... 8 years was plenty for me, being spied on, all the time being aware people were trying to extort money from you, even the very last 2 days, I got to know of people that had been in the till getting money from the sale of our villa. 1000le here 10,000le there, robbing thieving liars

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Please just try and be happy in your new home. The past is just that... past. Move on and enjoy your new life. Am sure a new day is beckoning in Cyprus - enjoy it !

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:oops: Sorry all, that was my doing, bringing back the dead. :lol:
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One of my workman was arrested this morning carted off to Armant, he's back turns out he borrowed 3000le from the bank of Cairo 4 years ago. He got arrested and had to somehow cough up 3k plus his lawyers fees.
3K laughable and after 4 years, I owe UK banks absolute fortunes they stopped writing letters 15 years ago.
3k makes one weep What's this Country coming to ?.... 8)
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Anyhow as winter approaches loads of work to do.
I'm flogging 'Qaswar my Jeep, 5 days here and there, courts, sowagi and back, backsheesh, shouting, threats, chai,ect ect
'You know the norm.
Anyhow 8 days later I ended up at the new Gourna Traffic Police HQ,
I was expecting to go to the Gourna police station and expectantly to bump into that daft Yank Eric
(the blade) I even bought him a packet of fags.
Anyhow I got nicked at the Traffic HQ for taking pics of all the 'nicked tuk-tuks.
After being made to delete all the pic's from my camera by the unhappy boss, I apologised saying
"I'm buying a tuk-tuk and am registering it in my lawyers name" He laughed said "good idea"
A met my mate there a German who had not one iota of trouble having just returned from a 2 month driving holiday around Iran.
He said "If I stay here an hour longer, I'm going to hit someone"
My mechanic got arrested as well for an hour, by having the same name as a wanted criminal.
My lawyer sparked up "this is Egypt they really don't care as long as the name fits"
He made one phone call to the head of Luxor Police and 'bobs your uncle we are away.
Nice pic taken by my sneaky lawyer of me just before being observed on the closed circuit cameras.
Later checking their TV screen 4 of the 10 camera's wen't working, just my luck!.... 8)
Back to work........building a pergola for 'er next door...
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Ps: The whole thing cost me 9k as I owed them money since our revolution and hey I'm buying a new tuk-tuk.
Nb: Pergola ? 'an erection in a monastery garden' duh!
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A quick P*ss from a Dr..
I cured my 'farmer-giles buy using 'shaaba, alum in the '40c plunge pool,
the same stuff that Kate Moss puts on her face called Anasol.
So my arse is all good and thanks for your kind considerations, not requred.. 8)
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All reliable figures show the Luxor figures are way down and that growth is much smaller that elsewhere in Egypt.

My guess is that the big local money, none of which is invested in Luxor, decides where the flights go and on what the marketing money is spent on. International investment seems to stay away and I guess they also understand where government priorities lie.

For example when some international soccer star or Hollywood idiot visits Egypt for a government funded photo shoot/promotion - its never in Luxor.

Its not impossible that the locals will get organized and use networks to either promote the city or get a better share of public money or practical support. Networks include the international archaeology community and one major religious leader - but there seems no recent support from former Governor Farag.

I agree with Who2 on where the market lies but note that no locals or high quality/high cost/longer stay type international travel companies seem to have 5/7 day packages based in Luxor which provide for interesting side trips - so the travel companies aren't interested in attracting people who will stay 7 days and spend $US300 a day and travel outside their hotels. The Polish/Hawass company seems an uncredible trash like firm.

Maybe now is the time for Luxor to think about returning to its past. Smaller numbers of longer stay specialist tourists who will spend a lot of money - whilst the rest can be bussed in for the day (and everyone can be relieved when they depart). It would be hard but would deliver better paid/higher skill jobs and lesser negative local impacts. Restaurants could expand and do well, the best tour guides might turn up, hotels might get renovated, quality tourist products might appear and talented entertainers might arrive believing they might make money. Enterprising local charities might also realize that educated informed liberal tourists are interested in looking at, and giving money to, local problems. The locals might also work out that harassment and pushy retail skills don't work. The fine arts students in the local university might set up a gallery and the international digs might give lectures. Quality people might emerge to manage this but only after they get rid of many of their predecessors.

One thing you can be certain of - mass volume/low price tourism delivers mainly low skill/low income jobs - and lots of negative social impacts in poor regions. Something worth thinking about.

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HEPZIBAH wrote:While Egyptair continue to charge such high prices for its direct flights to Luxor, many from the UK will look elsewhere. Even when they advertise offers the prices are still no different in reality.

There are alternative routes, but you have to spend a lot of time searching, and also be prepared to make one or more flight changes en route, that they may not be cost effective to the user.
Two weeks before he died, Russell went into EA to check on the return price to Cyprus for our October trip, he was quoted 6,350Le return, yesterday I was quoted 7,600Le. I know its probably classed as an internal price, booking from here, but still a big hike, so I declined booking out of principle, not having to leave.

As for ''tarting'' up Luxor for the winter trade, they really do need to address the standards of workmanship. Over the last two years they have virtually ripped up all the thousands of square meters of small tiles on the pavements along the corniche, going past the other day I lost count of how many newly laid meters now need re-laying before feet can safely walk on them. In some areas they seem to be now in a worse state than before they were replaced. My taxi driver now tells me that nearly all the buildings, homes and businesses, facing the new, still unfinished Avenue of the Sphinx are due for demolition to enhance the experience of the casual stroll along the avenue. Another creator of discontent, if it happens, for those that lose their buildings. I think that there will be many thousands of locals wishing that tourism will never return to the city.
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Two weeks before he died, Russell went into EA to check on the return price to Cyprus for our October trip, he was quoted 6,350Le return, yesterday I was quoted 7,600Le. I know its probably classed as an internal price, booking from here, but still a big hike, so I declined booking out of principle, not having to leave.
The Luxor-Cairo leg of the journey has 5 categories of price....and the cheaper ones, naturally, tend to fill up first. This may be why you were quoted a higher price some weeks after Russell's original ehquiry. Last minute booking on Luxor flights to and from Cairo can result in a 100% increase. The Cairo-Larnaca leg is less likely to be affected by seat availability.

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Ripping up the Corniche has been a pastime ever since the Chinese first built it way back.
The foundational economy, costs unknown. Every time we had a new governor we had a new Corniche... 8)
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