The return - how I found Luxor.

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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by Teddyboy » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:58 am

You could be quite right there MK, except that they watch plenty of Egyptian TV programmes which portray Egyptians as living in nice houses and driving Mercedes cars, and having servants, but they know that these are only the tiny minority! So why can't they see that it's the same with Europeans etc.?



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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by A-Four » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:53 am

Miriamkhalifa wrote:I think these last posts are very interresting, and yes, I too have known or talked to a number of men who does not want normal jobs "because they steal our freedom" and so on.

I also have felt envied as a tourist, just hanging around, enjoying my time, visitig sites and so on. I tried to explain that the reason I could do this was I had been working my ass of in a grillbar in Norway, working mostly every weekend and night since my last visit, but noone seemed to take in this info, it was just "do you have your own car??"
I think that is a reason for envy and resentment, they never see us in our "normal" context and have very distorted (can one say that??) impressions about how life in europe or UK might be.

Miriamkhalifa has summed up so well here what I have tried to say. A couple of years ago I took my brother to Egypt, when in Luxor some one I know who is always dressed as though he's a tramp asked my brother for money. He simply said "I have no money". An instant answer came shooting back, "but, YOU are here".

As Tony here, above states with regards to TV. How many in the UK believed that everyone in the U.S. in the late 1970's lived like Dynasty, and the so called American style fridges we see today give the impression that every one there lives like gods, when in real terms poverty there is astounding.

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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by TonyC » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:15 pm

Just had an e-mail from a friend who reports that Egypt "is being advertised all over the place in London at the moment. xxxxxxxx is planning a trip for later in the year but most of the agents he has approached will not accept booking for any tour that covers Cairo".

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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by Miriamkhalifa » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:48 pm

A-Four wrote:
Miriamkhalifa wrote:I think these last posts are very interresting, and yes, I too have known or talked to a number of men who does not want normal jobs "because they steal our freedom" and so on.

I also have felt envied as a tourist, just hanging around, enjoying my time, visitig sites and so on. I tried to explain that the reason I could do this was I had been working my ass of in a grillbar in Norway, working mostly every weekend and night since my last visit, but noone seemed to take in this info, it was just "do you have your own car??"
I think that is a reason for envy and resentment, they never see us in our "normal" context and have very distorted (can one say that??) impressions about how life in europe or UK might be.

Miriamkhalifa has summed up so well here what I have tried to say. A couple of years ago I took my brother to Egypt, when in Luxor some one I know who is always dressed as though he's a tramp asked my brother for money. He simply said "I have no money". An instant answer came shooting back, "but, YOU are here".

As Tony here, above states with regards to TV. How many in the UK believed that everyone in the U.S. in the late 1970's lived like Dynasty, and the so called American style fridges we see today give the impression that every one there lives like gods, when in real terms poverty there is astounding.

I really don't want to be cheap, but for me it has been somewhat hard to socialise with people where all interaction revolves around how much of my money can be spent on items and / or events I didn't want or need. I remember one time in the end I had to explain "but if I do this as you suggest, I won't have enough money for the bus from the airport when I come home". I think I have not been self assertive enough, and was never able to make egyptians understand that my financial situation back home was dead serious, and that every time I went to Egypt it would mean a very hard situation for me when I returned to Norway. This caused endless discussions and I had the feeling no-one ever believed me, that this was something I said just to keep my money for myself. I am Norwegian, of course I must have a lot of money stashed away.
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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by A-Four » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:23 pm

TonyC wrote:Just had an e-mail from a friend who reports that Egypt "is being advertised all over the place in London at the moment. xxxxxxxx is planning a trip for later in the year but most of the agents he has approached will not accept booking for any tour that covers Cairo".

This is very true Tony, and I was going to write up on this and call it,.........It aint Sattchi & Sattchi but,........and the but being that it is not just Cairo thats being said no to, but also Luxor. They are giving a big push for the beach resorts, but where Luxor is concurned its all to do with a cruise down the Nile, the only pictures that speak for Luxor, is a not so good picture with in Karnack, the other shows a young couple, kissing on the top deck of a cruise boat, but you would have to know the place as good as most of us lot on here to know that the back ground is the Thebian Hills, but not lite-up,....thank God.

The best picture I saw was a trully outstanding photo of Isis Temple in Asswan, it had obviouslly been taken from a helicopter, I never before realised how green that little island is until now. I contacted the main tourist company involved, and asked about a stay holiday in Luxor,.......not very helpful. I also learnt at the week-end that Egypt plan a large scale advert during the Games, but then again so is Turkey, and theirs will based on the more cultural side of that country being Istambul, Capperdocia, Konya,etc,etc.

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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by HEPZIBAH » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:33 pm

Miriamkhalifa wrote:
I really don't want to be cheap, but for me it has been somewhat hard to socialise with people where all interaction revolves around how much of my money can be spent on items and / or events I didn't want or need. I remember one time in the end I had to explain "but if I do this as you suggest, I won't have enough money for the bus from the airport when I come home". I think I have not been self assertive enough, and was never able to make egyptians understand that my financial situation back home was dead serious, and that every time I went to Egypt it would mean a very hard situation for me when I returned to Norway. This caused endless discussions and I had the feeling no-one ever believed me, that this was something I said just to keep my money for myself. I am Norwegian, of course I must have a lot of money stashed away.
Miri, I couldn't agree more. :up
All I'd change about the above post is swap Norway for England! :roll:
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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by Miriamkhalifa » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:57 pm

HEPZIBAH wrote:
Miriamkhalifa wrote:
I really don't want to be cheap, but for me it has been somewhat hard to socialise with people where all interaction revolves around how much of my money can be spent on items and / or events I didn't want or need. I remember one time in the end I had to explain "but if I do this as you suggest, I won't have enough money for the bus from the airport when I come home". I think I have not been self assertive enough, and was never able to make egyptians understand that my financial situation back home was dead serious, and that every time I went to Egypt it would mean a very hard situation for me when I returned to Norway. This caused endless discussions and I had the feeling no-one ever believed me, that this was something I said just to keep my money for myself. I am Norwegian, of course I must have a lot of money stashed away.
Miri, I couldn't agree more. :up
All I'd change about the above post is swap Norway for England! :roll:
Thank God, now I don't feel that stupid after all :)
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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by BENNU » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:00 pm

In 1985 a friend came to my home to pick up something I had fixed for him, and with him was a very polite Egyptian man, I had met a couple of times earlier. I told them that I would not leave my typewriter for at least a week, as I was very, very busy. The following day the Egyptian rang my door bell. He insisted that I accepted a pizza, as he did not imagine that I had time to cook. Before I could say anything, he was gone. Later I discovered a huge bag behind the door, full of fine chocolates, wine, fruit, pistachioes, cake, cola and Turkish delight. I never saw him again.

I know, he could have had all sorts of motives and I can think of a few, but he gave me my first impression of Egyptians.

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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by Miriamkhalifa » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:39 pm

BENNU wrote:In 1985 a friend came to my home to pick up something I had fixed for him, and with him was a very polite Egyptian man, I had met a couple of times earlier. I told them that I would not leave my typewriter for at least a week, as I was very, very busy. The following day the Egyptian rang my door bell. He insisted that I accepted a pizza, as he did not imagine that I had time to cook. Before I could say anything, he was gone. Later I discovered a huge bag behind the door, full of fine chocolates, wine, fruit, pistachioes, cake, cola and Turkish delight. I never saw him again.

I know, he could have had all sorts of motives and I can think of a few, but he gave me my first impression of Egyptians.
What a wonderful experience! :) Happy to hear this - well deserved.
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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by Miriamkhalifa » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:43 pm

And I wouldn't think about motifs, sometimes people are just well-meaning and nice, in a country of some 80 million individuals there are bound to be a few saints as well as a few crooks, as in any country ;)
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Re: The return - how I found Luxor.

Post by HEPZIBAH » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:52 pm

BENNU wrote:In 1985 a friend came to my home to pick up something I had fixed for him, and with him was a very polite Egyptian man, I had met a couple of times earlier. I told them that I would not leave my typewriter for at least a week, as I was very, very busy. The following day the Egyptian rang my door bell. He insisted that I accepted a pizza, as he did not imagine that I had time to cook. Before I could say anything, he was gone. Later I discovered a huge bag behind the door, full of fine chocolates, wine, fruit, pistachioes, cake, cola and Turkish delight. I never saw him again.

I know, he could have had all sorts of motives and I can think of a few, but he gave me my first impression of Egyptians.
A lovely story.

I too am thankful for the Egyptian friends I do have who have shown me true and honest friendship and kindness and not expected anything, although it has encouraged my friendship for them, in return.
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